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I always read how Hi-sec has been buffed.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#181 - 2014-07-28 16:35:49 UTC
Tennej wrote:
New player? if you're new, how do you know about meta 0 modules and drone alloys?



FFS here we go again.... Pretending I was a new player and did the things I used to do when I actually was.... sorry for the confusion.

Name calling and insults..... make your damn point without it otherwise I just quit reading your post even if its actually worth reading.


Son, you haven't seen my name callin yet. When I do, you'll know it, because you'll also hear this in the background. BTW your avatar sure has a peerty mouth.

But as for your 'method', it's dumb, you screwed up your own experiment with personal bias. A new player wouldn't be doing half the crap you did.
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#182 - 2014-07-28 16:36:41 UTC
Is it to late to jump on the "OP's a troll" wagon?
Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#183 - 2014-07-28 16:52:28 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Milan Nantucket wrote:
Not being argumentative. Facts are facts. No reason to get all butt hurt over it.

So why are you trying to argue against the facts and act all butt hurt over it?


Quiet the contrary. I am stating facts and answering the OP's question. I am not pulling up old forum posts not written by lawyers rather what the lawyers have written.

In a culture where only certain rules apply to a certain group it is doomed to failure. You either change the rules for everyone and by that I mean officially or you enforce them.

Do neither and people take notice hence the OP and his original question.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#184 - 2014-07-28 17:02:23 UTC
Milan Nantucket wrote:
Quiet the contrary. I am stating facts and answering the OP's question.
You are also inventing things that has no basis in facts, and then act butt hurt when people point this out.

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You either change the rules for everyone and by that I mean officially or you enforce them.
Good news: they're enforcing them; they apply equally to everyone; and they're very official.

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Do neither and people take notice hence the OP and his original question.
His original question has nothing to do with the rules or their being enforced unequally.
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#185 - 2014-07-28 17:04:08 UTC
So you pretended to be a new player who had enough isk to buy a Harby etc, and considered L3 mission income to be low, and therefore missions suck?
Why did your new player not know that higher level missions give higher level rewards and test those instead, whilst strangely being a new player who knew about how missions were in the past?

My main complaint when missioning on a "new" player is that I can no longer AFK my drake or domi in a mission
Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#186 - 2014-07-28 17:07:58 UTC
Always upvote Rhivre.

[i]"Don't look into another human's bowl to see how much he has ... ... look into his bowl to see if he has enough !" - Sol[/i]

Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#187 - 2014-07-28 17:14:40 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Milan Nantucket wrote:
Quiet the contrary. I am stating facts and answering the OP's question.
You are also inventing things that has no basis in facts, and then act butt hurt when people point this out.

Quote:
You either change the rules for everyone and by that I mean officially or you enforce them.
Good news: they're enforcing them; they apply equally to everyone; and they're very official.

Quote:
Do neither and people take notice hence the OP and his original question.
His original question has nothing to do with the rules or their being enforced unequally.


Yeah inventing CCP's EULA.
For example: CCP declared ISBoxer legit. Now you have miners like the one you post but you also have incursion runners various other types of players using it. To use it you need more than 1 account on the same computer which is actually against CCP own End User License agreement
https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-eula/
Under License:
"you have 2 Accounts, you must have 2 licensed copies of the Software. You may not use more than one Account with a single licensed copy of the Software. You may make one (1) copy of the Software for backup or archival purposes.

Fact:
To use ISBoxer you need more than 1 account on the same computer. You have to login to all your screens or have isboxer do that for you.

Fact:
In the EULA "For each valid Account you maintain, you may install a copy of the Software on, and access the System from, a single computer or Game platform"

Fact:
you have 2 Accounts, you must have 2 licensed copies of the Software. You may not use more than one Account with a single licensed copy of the Software. You may make one (1) copy of the Software for backup or archival purposes.

Fact:
CCP not enforcing their own EULA by allowing the EULA to be broken.

OP's original question why is everything nerfed... well those who cry the most get what they want. CCP doesn't listen to those who follow the rules rather those who bring in the most cash.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#188 - 2014-07-28 17:22:57 UTC
EULAs exist so a company can get rid of you if they dont like you.

Example: It is illegal to name your character under Blizzard's EULA.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#189 - 2014-07-28 17:23:22 UTC
Umm, Milan you do realise that they have to have multiple accounts to have the clients active to be able use ISBoxer at all, you're quoting a part of the EULA they already satisfy. Here I'll show you using your own quote.

In the EULA "For each valid Account you maintain, you may install a copy of the Software on, and access the System from, a single computer or Game platform"

emphasis mine

Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin

you're welcome

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#190 - 2014-07-28 17:25:10 UTC
Milan Nantucket wrote:
Yeah inventing CCP's EULA.
For example: CCP declared ISBoxer legit. Now you have miners like the one you post but you also have incursion runners various other types of players using it. To use it you need more than 1 account on the same computer which is actually against CCP own End User License agreement
…except that nothing in the EULA prohibits you from having more than one account on the same computer, nor does ISBoxer require you to do that.

Quote:
Fact:
To use ISBoxer you need more than 1 account on the same computer.
No, that is not a fact.

Quote:
Fact:
In the EULA "For each valid Account you maintain, you may install a copy of the Software on, and access the System from, a single computer or Game platform"
…and the fact of the matter is that this does not prohibit you from using more than one account on a single computer.

Quote:
Fact:
CCP not enforcing their own EULA by allowing the EULA to be broken.
No, that's not a fact — that is a fallacy called begging the question.

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OP's original question why is everything nerfed.
…and not only is the question uninformed and ultimately incorrect in its core assumption, it also has nothing to do with the rules or their enforcement.
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#191 - 2014-07-28 17:27:59 UTC
Milan Nantucket wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Milan Nantucket wrote:
Quiet the contrary. I am stating facts and answering the OP's question.
You are also inventing things that has no basis in facts, and then act butt hurt when people point this out.

Quote:
You either change the rules for everyone and by that I mean officially or you enforce them.
Good news: they're enforcing them; they apply equally to everyone; and they're very official.

Quote:
Do neither and people take notice hence the OP and his original question.
His original question has nothing to do with the rules or their being enforced unequally.


Yeah inventing CCP's EULA.
For example: CCP declared ISBoxer legit. Now you have miners like the one you post but you also have incursion runners various other types of players using it. To use it you need more than 1 account on the same computer which is actually against CCP own End User License agreement
https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-eula/
Under License:
"you have 2 Accounts, you must have 2 licensed copies of the Software. You may not use more than one Account with a single licensed copy of the Software. You may make one (1) copy of the Software for backup or archival purposes.

Fact:
To use ISBoxer you need more than 1 account on the same computer. You have to login to all your screens or have isboxer do that for you.

Fact:
In the EULA "For each valid Account you maintain, you may install a copy of the Software on, and access the System from, a single computer or Game platform"

Fact:
you have 2 Accounts, you must have 2 licensed copies of the Software. You may not use more than one Account with a single licensed copy of the Software. You may make one (1) copy of the Software for backup or archival purposes.

Fact:
CCP not enforcing their own EULA by allowing the EULA to be broken.

OP's original question why is everything nerfed... well those who cry the most get what they want. CCP doesn't listen to those who follow the rules rather those who bring in the most cash.

WTB Reading Comprehension please
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#192 - 2014-07-28 17:29:05 UTC
Tennej wrote:

Attempt: First I tried ninja salvaging.... It used to make me alot of isk.


Im doing a mission and I see a ninja salvager come into my site. I turn off my guns, recall my drones, and wait. The rats fire on him and he flees in terror.
Conclusion: Buff.

Tennej wrote:
Attempt: Go sit on some static 1/10 Plexs and hopefully spawn a c-type repper or something.

I scan down a complex, and no one else is there because of the time it takes to find it. I get all the loot!
Conclusion: Buff.

Tennej wrote:
Attempt: OK if they want me to scan so I'll scan down some rare rock sites and go mine them. Maybe I'll get lucky and score a Large Jaspet or something.

I use to scan out grav sites, but by the time I got back with the mining fleet, others had found it and mined it out. Now I can find them with the same ship I mine in.
Conclusion: Buff.

Tennej wrote:
Attempt: Regular Ice mining.

I put the ice mining alt in space and check now and then if the ice has spawned while I do other stuff. Once it does I go mine and scoop up ice twice as fast as before, leaving me more time to do other things.
Conclusion: Buff.

Tennej wrote:
Attempt: I'm already in a minery ship might as well mine.

Mining vessels are somewhat better, and my systems are full of ore. No problem for me. As mission loot reprocessing has been decreased, I know I have a good market for what I mine.
Conclusion: Buff.

Missions in general: Ship re balancing has left a few ships in excellent shape for missions. They can now be run faster then ever.
Conclusion: Buff.

New modules, like the micro-jump drive and drone damage amps also make mission run faster and easier. Have you tried a 'snake and a Gecko? It kills everything. Then the drones salvage everything. Mission on lazy mode.
Conclusion: Buff.

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#193 - 2014-07-28 17:29:41 UTC
Milan Nantucket wrote:
CCP declared ISBoxer legit.

yes, they did
Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#194 - 2014-07-28 17:31:55 UTC


@ Rowells: Your local community college has it.

@Tippia I'll stop trolling now as it really boring explaining logic to people who can not fathom simple logic or won't admit they are incorrect..
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#195 - 2014-07-28 17:35:40 UTC
Milan Nantucket wrote:


@ Rowells: Your local community college has it.

@Tippia I'll stop trolling now as it really boring explaining logic to people who can not fathom simple logic or won't admit they are incorrect..
Sorry, but I'd recommend going back to your local High school for that. Need to start with the basics.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#196 - 2014-07-28 17:35:55 UTC
Milan Nantucket wrote:
@Tippia I'll stop trolling now
Good. Try using proper logic and facts next time rather than make up your own.

Speaking of which, here's a fun fact for you: some of the people who bring in the most cash to CCP are the the ones that break the rules the most. And guess what happens? CCP enforces the rules and bans them.
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#197 - 2014-07-28 17:38:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Darek Castigatus
Ah Milan is employing that old chestnut of 'loudly declare victory and ride off into the sunset while ignoring everything that shows I'm wrong'

I wish shitposters actually made some effort these days.

Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin

you're welcome

Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
#198 - 2014-07-28 18:08:41 UTC
Tennej wrote:
Lfod Shi wrote:
Hi sec has been repeatedly nerfed... and that's a good thing.


But everybody seems to believe its being buffed. What are your theories?


No theories just less stuff.

♪ They'll always be bloodclaws to me ♫

Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#199 - 2014-07-28 18:39:07 UTC
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Ah Milan is employing that old chestnut of 'loudly declare victory and ride off into the sunset while ignoring everything that shows I'm wrong'

I wish shitposters actually made some effort these days.


Unfortunately others don't have logic 101. Those that do warned me about the carebear mentality and the refusal to see the facts staring them in the face. So some undisputable facts were put out there and my colleagues were correct. People were getting butthurt over the facts and making up facts. The only proof provided by me was the eula written by the almighty CCP themeselves. Someone else post some old forum post and called it word of god. The eula is legally binding, forum posts are not.

So be on your merry way and shitpost what you want.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#200 - 2014-07-28 18:42:08 UTC
The thread has a happy ending?

Conclusion: Buff to General Discussion ???

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?