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Thatyellowdevil Jaynara
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2014-07-27 18:17:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Thatyellowdevil Jaynara
First I would like to say I am not a troll. I have said in my post that null is a goldmine of money and large fleet pvp. Never do I discourage others from going there or claim my experience is anything but my own. I do say that it is boring and that I hate it. But that is because I sincerely do. Null being boring is a stereotype for a reason.

Our alliance chat is talking right now how there is nearly nothing fun to do while we wait for **** to start a fleet since our alliance is a hanger on rather than a provider of content in itself. Even the CFC channel is full of people talking about myfitnesspal (great btw and help me lose weight) rather than anything in eve.

I what the rest of you are saying though but I can't seem to leave. We have had so many people leave that vitriol is attached to deserters and as a corp we shun rather than stay in touch with old members. I am a director in my corp as well, and am a huge part of its infrastructure. I take care of most of the poses, handle logistics, and manufacturing petty things like ammo for everyone. To leave them would significantly harm the corp as a whole.

I know Eve is just a game but my investment in it has been real, it isnt just some prom night dumpster baby I can haughtily abandon
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#22 - 2014-07-27 18:22:02 UTC
Morihei Akachi wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
Here's the deal - and why this is so damned hard for people to figure out I will never now.

EVE IS A GAME.

I would have thought the answer to that was moderately obvious: CCP work quite hard to convince us that EvE is not a game, if by "game" you mean some casual amusement of no enduring importance or emotional significance. From Hilmar's favorite (and [perhaps too] oft repeated) tale of his unwillingness to magically make a new mining cruiser to replace one he once lost, to the whole "a game more meaningful than real life"-message: EvE clearly isn't meant to be just "playing around". Compare it to a sport, if you want to get closer to the psychological effect being aimed at: you don't just step down from being trainer or captain of your local sports team overnight, because, hey, after all it's just a game. You're emotionally invested—you have to be, otherwise you won't have been doing your job well—so you agonize about whether you can do it to the other guys, you stay up late thinking about it, you talk it through with significant others. If it's EvE, maybe you pull out your neutral hauler alt and post to GD. Makes perfect sense to me.


Im not sure that you know what kind of game EVE is.

Though considering sports are also games...

And you seem to feel that sports are more emotionally involving than a good video game...

Im convinced that you consider sport to be somehow superior to other forms of entertainment and so cannot understand what kind of a game EVE really is

TL:;DR: IN EVE, there is no winning or losing, only surviving.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#23 - 2014-07-28 01:56:30 UTC
Ok, then I guess you'd...

I'm sure in a moment a progodlegend alt will drop you a message checking if you are able to drop sov.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Summer Isle
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#24 - 2014-07-28 03:49:44 UTC
Thatyellowdevil Jaynara wrote:

Our alliance chat is talking right now how there is nearly nothing fun to do while we wait for **** to start a fleet since our alliance is a hanger on rather than a provider of content in itself.


So change that. You yourself said that several of you are quite rich. Take that ISK and actually put it to use.

A good, solid, T2-fit T1 cruiser is 30m ISK. Those of you who are bored should fit a bunch up. If you can't fly T2 weapons and tank, then use meta mods. If some of your people can't afford them, take your 15+ billion ISK and burn 300m of it for 10 cruisers.

Now, with those cruisers and a gang of people you like, go out and cause some content. Set a destination and shoot the first non-blue you see along the route. If you can find nothing but blues, shoot them and blame it on the lot of you not being normal PvP'ers, so you had messed-up overviews.

You have the ISK to create content. What else are you going to do with it? Leave it in your wallet? Go blow it up and start turning your alliance from being a content provide (AKA, a target) to a content generator.

 Talk is cheap, but Void S and Quake L are cheaper.
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-07-28 04:40:04 UTC
Sell freighter, buy 160 condors, have fun.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#26 - 2014-07-28 05:16:34 UTC
Time to start training for a supercap.

Vince Draken is coming to kill us.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#27 - 2014-07-28 12:11:09 UTC
Thatyellowdevil Jaynara wrote:
A few things first. this is an alt on my neutral hauler account, I am in the cfc, my corp is barely limping along, and this will be a long post.

I used to be a miner, and then an indy player. My first corp wound up merging with a null mining corp, made friends had fun shooting rocks and chatting. Then my CEO who we had all grown rather fond of awoxed us all, took all of our stuff. and taught me not to trust people no matter how long you play with them in eve. Not that I am weepy or sad about it, to be honest I thought it was pretty incredible.

Well then I struck out on my own. I was mining in an npc corp, watching netflix, when some guys came up and ganked me. I said something there sexual identity, asked if they wanted to make out, if they there mom was hot and looking for a real man....and eventually got recruited into the corp.

The guys in the corp were awesome, then some left, and less awesome people took their place, the cycle repeated until I liked only a few of them. During this cycle we had gone from low sec, to high sec, and back all the while looking for a shot to get into null. Apparently I entered the corp on its downswing and they had been big nullsec players in the past. We got into npc null, people got bored with the welp fleets, the terrible nrds lostfest, and the general feeling of nothing to do. A lot left, then we left. T

The CEO took a break giving it to one of the only guys in corp I like, but who doesn't want to lead and hates having to accept the burden. So he thrusts us into the only CFC alliance that would accept us and we just are kinda sitting here. Once again people are leaving. There is very little reason to undock other than to be harpy #76 in the long stream of boring stat ops. Some of us have billions and find the tedium of null ratting too much, others have nearly nothing and are too scared of cloakies to do anything. Everyone likes to whine, except a few, and besides myself no one is willing to say they are not enjoying null to the few that are.

At this point I don't know what to do. I do not like being in Null, it bores me. Fleets and pvp seem to lose meaning when everyone does what they are told and if they lose something it is replaced. I have made tons of money. 15 billion and counting, more than enough since I am half a year a way to sitting comfortably in any capital ship. I hate it here, but I have grown fond of my corp with age. A sort of Stockholm Syndrome if you would. People leave, I try to stop them. But those I do stop from leaving, have my feeling guilty since they have the mental fortitude to do what I can't. Guess thats why they call it Windowpane.

What does this illustrious board suggest?


Its a video game. Go do what's fun.

Not today spaghetti.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#28 - 2014-07-28 12:36:06 UTC
Thatyellowdevil Jaynara wrote:
A few things first. this is an alt on my neutral hauler account, I am in the cfc, my corp is barely limping along, and this will be a long post.

I used to be a miner, and then an indy player. My first corp wound up merging with a null mining corp, made friends had fun shooting rocks and chatting. Then my CEO who we had all grown rather fond of awoxed us all, took all of our stuff. and taught me not to trust people no matter how long you play with them in eve. Not that I am weepy or sad about it, to be honest I thought it was pretty incredible.

Well then I struck out on my own. I was mining in an npc corp, watching netflix, when some guys came up and ganked me. I said something there sexual identity, asked if they wanted to make out, if they there mom was hot and looking for a real man....and eventually got recruited into the corp.

The guys in the corp were awesome, then some left, and less awesome people took their place, the cycle repeated until I liked only a few of them. During this cycle we had gone from low sec, to high sec, and back all the while looking for a shot to get into null. Apparently I entered the corp on its downswing and they had been big nullsec players in the past. We got into npc null, people got bored with the welp fleets, the terrible nrds lostfest, and the general feeling of nothing to do. A lot left, then we left. T

The CEO took a break giving it to one of the only guys in corp I like, but who doesn't want to lead and hates having to accept the burden. So he thrusts us into the only CFC alliance that would accept us and we just are kinda sitting here. Once again people are leaving. There is very little reason to undock other than to be harpy #76 in the long stream of boring stat ops. Some of us have billions and find the tedium of null ratting too much, others have nearly nothing and are too scared of cloakies to do anything. Everyone likes to whine, except a few, and besides myself no one is willing to say they are not enjoying null to the few that are.

At this point I don't know what to do. I do not like being in Null, it bores me. Fleets and pvp seem to lose meaning when everyone does what they are told and if they lose something it is replaced. I have made tons of money. 15 billion and counting, more than enough since I am half a year a way to sitting comfortably in any capital ship. I hate it here, but I have grown fond of my corp with age. A sort of Stockholm Syndrome if you would. People leave, I try to stop them. But those I do stop from leaving, have my feeling guilty since they have the mental fortitude to do what I can't. Guess thats why they call it Windowpane.

What does this illustrious board suggest?


When I'm playing a video game and get bored I play another video game, or go outside, or (last resort) talk to my wife and kids. What i don't do is continue doing something i find boring.

This is the 2nd "I'm a pve player and wahhhh they are making me pvp in null" thread I've seen in as many days. Well, I'm a pve player to, i'm not some super hot for pvp jock like some are and I get by just fine. To me pvp is a fun diversion as well as a way to pay my dues for having access to nice things like the alliance market and good ratting space (because one can only save that damn Damsel so many times in high sec before going crazy).
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2014-07-28 13:02:56 UTC
Morihei Akachi wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
Here's the deal - and why this is so damned hard for people to figure out I will never now.

EVE IS A GAME.

I would have thought the answer to that was moderately obvious: CCP work quite hard to convince us that EvE is not a game, if by "game" you mean some casual amusement of no enduring importance or emotional significance. From Hilmar's favorite (and [perhaps too] oft repeated) tale of his unwillingness to magically make a new mining cruiser to replace one he once lost, to the whole "a game more meaningful than real life"-message: EvE clearly isn't meant to be just "playing around". Compare it to a sport, if you want to get closer to the psychological effect being aimed at: you don't just step down from being trainer or captain of your local sports team overnight, because, hey, after all it's just a game. You're emotionally invested—you have to be, otherwise you won't have been doing your job well—so you agonize about whether you can do it to the other guys, you stay up late thinking about it, you talk it through with significant others. If it's EvE, maybe you pull out your neutral hauler alt and post to GD. Makes perfect sense to me.


Yeah I did that once too. I invested my time, my energy, and even poured a bit of my soul into building something in Eve (EICo) - and it burned me out so badly I ended up having to leave the game for a year. During that year what I realized was - it's a game, it should be fun. Some people love doing that stuff - they love spending hours upon hours theorycrafting and trying to herd cats. That's not me. I like logistics, I like PvP, and I like occasionally just ******* off and doing my own thing.

My point was - Eve is, at the end of the day, a game. If the part of the game you are deliberately exposing yourself to is no longer fun, then it's time to change. But it's a decision you have to make for youself, not one someone else can make for you, and asking other people what they think you should do is basically going to net you two responses from the Eve community:

"Duh, do something else." and "HTFU."

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#30 - 2014-07-28 13:09:20 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
Morihei Akachi wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
Here's the deal - and why this is so damned hard for people to figure out I will never now.

EVE IS A GAME.

I would have thought the answer to that was moderately obvious: CCP work quite hard to convince us that EvE is not a game, if by "game" you mean some casual amusement of no enduring importance or emotional significance. From Hilmar's favorite (and [perhaps too] oft repeated) tale of his unwillingness to magically make a new mining cruiser to replace one he once lost, to the whole "a game more meaningful than real life"-message: EvE clearly isn't meant to be just "playing around". Compare it to a sport, if you want to get closer to the psychological effect being aimed at: you don't just step down from being trainer or captain of your local sports team overnight, because, hey, after all it's just a game. You're emotionally invested—you have to be, otherwise you won't have been doing your job well—so you agonize about whether you can do it to the other guys, you stay up late thinking about it, you talk it through with significant others. If it's EvE, maybe you pull out your neutral hauler alt and post to GD. Makes perfect sense to me.


Yeah I did that once too. I invested my time, my energy, and even poured a bit of my soul into building something in Eve (EICo) - and it burned me out so badly I ended up having to leave the game for a year. During that year what I realized was - it's a game, it should be fun. Some people love doing that stuff - they love spending hours upon hours theorycrafting and trying to herd cats. That's not me. I like logistics, I like PvP, and I like occasionally just ******* off and doing my own thing.

My point was - Eve is, at the end of the day, a game. If the part of the game you are deliberately exposing yourself to is no longer fun, then it's time to change. But it's a decision you have to make for youself, not one someone else can make for you, and asking other people what they think you should do is basically going to net you two responses from the Eve community:

"Duh, do something else." and "HTFU."


Well said. I always find it amazing when someone tries to pull the "well that's not what CCP says" card.

CCP promoting a product doesn't not make EVE 'not a video game' lol. MMO makers using psychology to hook you only works if you let yourself be hooked.

The guy you replied to said "you don't just step down from being captain of a local team" and such. I did when it began to interfere with my time with my kids, my job and my marriage. I wasn't getting paid to play soccer lol.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-07-28 13:42:29 UTC
Don't understand your post really. I've been in the CFC for 2 months and am currently having a great time. They are so huge there seems to be a SIG (Special Interest Group) for just about any style of play. Seems like you could look through those and find something entertaining. You could post on the Goon forums, although I'd leave out the corp whining, and list the sort of things you like to do.

I hear about how CFC is all huge fleets and F1 button pushing. But you can jump down to FD- and fly with whichever 5 dudes from Space Violence happen to be on roam all you like. Want to gank in hisec? Miniluv has an app for that Want to use your 15bil to start an industrial empire? Goons just reogranized their jump bridge network in Dek and moved the staging system just to accomodate the industrial players.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Pheusia
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#32 - 2014-07-28 13:59:07 UTC
Bohneik Itohn wrote:
Pheusia wrote:

Sorry buttercup; CCP need to do some work with the DSCAN system first and probably the map data too before they can remove instant local.


No they don't.

Neither map data nor D-scan is meant to be flawless. This is intentional and it serves a purpose.

And cyno's would be great in WH's, if it were possible to calculate where wormholes were in relation to each other so that jump ranges had meaning. But since WH's don't have a coordinate location on the map they are all both infinitely equidistant while being right on top of each other at the same time.

This kind of breaks a few basic rules about cyno's, on a fundamental level, and introduces many issues.


I think there are things you don't know about w-space.
Elmonky
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-07-28 14:17:45 UTC
W Space is made of win.


Go loot MASSIVE MASSIVE rocks of Hedbergite. Shoot some Omni damage Sleepers. Make your own T3 and plastics from Gas.


Turn your 15 Bill into 45 Bill with a little work


Profit
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#34 - 2014-07-28 14:30:50 UTC
Elmonky wrote:
W Space is made of win.


Go loot MASSIVE MASSIVE rocks of Hedbergite. Shoot some Omni damage Sleepers. Make your own T3 and plastics from Gas.


Turn your 15 Bill into 45 Bill with a little work


Profit


Highlighted the reason that will never be the case for more players lol.

"work" towards a "goal"? lies, i pay the game makers 15 bux a month, they should just hand me victory!!!! (Said every carebear in every game ever)
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#35 - 2014-07-28 15:18:42 UTC
It's a game.
Find what's fun, and do that. If nothing is fun, find another game. Everything else, the politics and the drama, that's all just dressing.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#36 - 2014-07-28 15:24:58 UTC
Summer Isle wrote:
Set a destination and shoot the first non-blue you see along the route.


It's just easier this way.

Also, don't forget to tell VR.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Othran
Route One
#37 - 2014-07-28 15:30:09 UTC
Why don't you just take the guys in your corp to one side & say :

"What do you all want to do? What's fun?"

There are other areas of PvP as there are in PVE (no doubt, not too sure on that myself Blink ) so why not do something different.

I've tried sov stuff & it bored the arse off me. Some other null stuff is fine. Wormholes are interesting but I wouldn't want to live in one because I'm intrinsically lazy Big smile Mining is a no-no.

The point is that there's lots of other stuff to do. Sov null is not the be-all & end-all of Eve.

Try some more of it - for example sov PvP fleets are possibly more boring than mining, doesn't mean other PvP is the same ;)
Rayo Atra
Guardians of the Volatile Wine
#38 - 2014-07-28 15:31:11 UTC
lo sec and WH's best space in eve. Also WH's are by far the best way to get deep into null and pve without being bothered. love bil isk daytrips.

Tell you what I do like though: A killer. A dyed-in-the-wool killer. Cold-blooded, clean, methodical and thorough.

-Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2014-07-28 15:43:43 UTC
The best troll post i ever seen in gn really. Very good put together at some point i almost believe it. Normal i`m the dude trolling the topic. Now i need to be serious :( Do not steal my job here.
Morihei Akachi
Doomheim
#40 - 2014-07-28 17:43:22 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Well said. I always find it amazing when someone tries to pull the "well that's not what CCP says" card.

CCP promoting a product doesn't not make EVE 'not a video game' lol. MMO makers using psychology to hook you only works if you let yourself be hooked.

The guy you replied to said "you don't just step down from being captain of a local team" and such. I did when it began to interfere with my time with my kids, my job and my marriage. I wasn't getting paid to play soccer lol.

I think I'm being misread here. People in this thread are using the term "game" as though it equals "no emotional cost, whatever you do." I disagree with that: I think Eve is designed in such a way that that particular definition of "game" doesn't apply here (and isn't meant to: that's what I meant by referring to CCP's stated intent to create a game more meaningful than RL). New Eden is fictitious, but the relationships we strike up with others are real. That's why we invest in them. Or are you going to tell me that, since soccer is "just a game", your team meant nothing to you, and stepping down was no more difficult a decision than walking away from a game of monopoly? Maybe it was, but this clearly isn't for the OP, and I'm arguing that that's entirely ok and understandable. This is not a case where HTFU applies. Other people have made more helpful suggestions.

"Enduring", "restrained" and "ample" as designations for starship components are foreign to the genre of high-tech science fiction and don’t belong in Eve Online. (And as for “scoped” …)
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