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Alundil
Rolled Out
#21 - 2014-07-28 19:25:12 UTC
Paynus Maiassus wrote:
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You pretty much missed the most salient points of the entire Incarna debacle. Congratulations. If this were a triangle you'd be the obtuse part.

Players (even bittervets for the most part) were not vehemently against WiS;
They were against the pitiful attempt at it that Incarna represented (poorly optimized, gfx card/mobo melting code, single interior with absolutely "ZERO" use case) I could go on
They were against the redirection of FiS resources when so many aspects of FiS were (and some still are) badly broken and/or half done
They were against the very real issue of using EVE Online as a test bed for CCP's ambulation and avatar based engine work meant for WoD (with all of the fail that entails)
Lastly (and this was the loudest bittervet complaints iirc), they were against the apparent push towards micro-transactions which were horribly implemented ($1000 jeans, Monocle-gate, etc)

You missed all of the pertinent details. Literally all of them and instead chose to fall back on the 'abloo abloo - those bittervets want eve to diiiiieeeeeee!!!!'

Ridiculous

I'm right behind you
Paynus Maiassus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2014-07-28 19:38:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Paynus Maiassus
Ok, in my experience the way to get this thread locked is to start arguing over Incarna. So I will just say one thing in response to return the thread to productivity: opinions are like a-holes. I'm glad you have one. Everybody has an opinion on Incarna whether it was micro transactions or WiS or leaked CCP memos or whatever. Results, however, are not like a-holes. The result is that since Incarna avatar play is a dirty word. However, that was years ago and to get new players avatar play needs to not be a dirty word.

Oh, and since you added to your thread by insulting me and calling me obtuse, allow me to retort: you're a f$ckbag.

That said, no more need to talk about Incarna. The OP has been informed that he is continuing a long discussion. Nothing else to add on that front.
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-07-28 19:44:22 UTC
Altirius Saldiaro wrote:
Star Citizen will have all of that for sure.

Hahahahaha.

Oh man. After how many years they couldn't even get the flight module going without hilarious bugs. Now you think they'll have pervasive cities with player razing? God, you're a riot.
Altirius Saldiaro
Doomheim
#24 - 2014-07-28 20:00:51 UTC
Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
Altirius Saldiaro wrote:
Star Citizen will have all of that for sure.

Hahahahaha.

Oh man. After how many years they couldn't even get the flight module going without hilarious bugs. Now you think they'll have pervasive cities with player razing? God, you're a riot.


Oh, as if EVE doesn't or has never had bugs? I'm looking forward to SC. I am going to have a lot of fun on there, far more fun than I've ever had in EVE. Hate it all you want. Makes no difference to me. Its going to have the 3 elements I've wanted in EVE, but CCP will never be able to accomplish in just one game alone.

1st Person View cockpit flight.
1st Person View ground based inside/outside ship combat.
Multi-crewed Ships. 《---Those are going to be fun.

And no TiDi is going to be great.
Alundil
Rolled Out
#25 - 2014-07-28 20:06:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Alundil
Paynus Maiassus wrote:
Ok, in my experience the way to get this thread locked is to start arguing over Incarna. So I will just say one thing in response to return the thread to productivity: opinions are like a-holes. I'm glad you have one. Everybody has an opinion on Incarna whether it was micro transactions or WiS or leaked CCP memos or whatever. Results, however, are not like a-holes. The result is that since Incarna avatar play is a dirty word. However, that was years ago and to get new players avatar play needs to not be a dirty word.

Oh, and since you added to your thread by insulting me and calling me obtuse, allow me to retort: you're a f$ckbag.

That said, no more need to talk about Incarna. The OP has been informed that he is continuing a long discussion. Nothing else to add on that front.

LOL - lowbrow....suits you I guess.
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I'm right behind you
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2014-07-28 20:09:50 UTC
Altirius Saldiaro wrote:
Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
Altirius Saldiaro wrote:
Star Citizen will have all of that for sure.

Hahahahaha.

Oh man. After how many years they couldn't even get the flight module going without hilarious bugs. Now you think they'll have pervasive cities with player razing? God, you're a riot.


Oh, as if EVE doesn't or has never had bugs? I'm looking forward to SC. I am going to have a lot of fun on there, far more fun than I've ever had in EVE. Hate it all you want. Makes no difference to me. Its going to have the 3 elements I've wanted in EVE, but CCP will never be able to accomplish in just one game alone.

1st Person View cockpit flight.
1st Person View ground based inside/outside ship combat.
Multi-crewed Ships. 《---Those are going to be fun.

And no TiDi is going to be great.


Look bud, maybe my skepticism is too wild but when I saw people hyping the game thinking they could be ship insurance investigators, well, everything SC related is starting to looks like empty hype. Not to mention so many people still think its an MMO, when its shard format is more like DayZ.

Also where's the on-foot combat module footage? Did they even release footage?
Defalt AadneZik
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2014-07-28 23:46:19 UTC
Paynus Maiassus wrote:
Notice all the posters in support of this kind of thing are new players, and all the posters laughing at it are vets?

Take notice, CCP.


how can you know how many months i've plaied?? you can't know if i've plaied 1 or 16....

I've got more users than you would think, and this is my steam account which i use now because i want to use money which i can hold and give to gamestop to get more Euro to buy more months on eve online.. hah..
Alundil
Rolled Out
#28 - 2014-07-28 23:58:05 UTC
Paynus Maiassus wrote:
Notice all the posters in support of this kind of thing are new players, and all the posters laughing at it are vets?

Take notice, CCP.

And by the way.... I guess I'd fall into your category of 'vet'. Didn't like the first attempt at WiS. Lost a video card to its poor optimization. Considered shooting statue (but couldn't because no video card ...... well played CCP, well played).

That said, I wouldn't mind at all if they gave avatar-based gameplay another (GOOD) try. However it would have to be thoroughly tested AND have actual use cases aside from sit in CQ and pretend drink Quafe and change outfits in front of mirror.

I'm right behind you
Commander A9
This Was The Way
#29 - 2014-07-29 01:06:41 UTC
If you speak of colonizing planets, Tyranni added that in 2010.

If you speak of walk-on-planets, that does sound pretty kickass...although the space required for that might be pretty crazy.

But let's get walk-in-stations done first...

Recommendations:

-enable ships wobbling in hangar view (pre-Captains Quarters)

-add more missions (NPC fleet vs. NPC fleets that actually shoot)

-STOP NERFING EVERYTHING!

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Aina Stormborn
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2014-07-30 13:51:48 UTC
Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
Altirius Saldiaro wrote:
Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
Altirius Saldiaro wrote:
Star Citizen will have all of that for sure.

Hahahahaha.

Oh man. After how many years they couldn't even get the flight module going without hilarious bugs. Now you think they'll have pervasive cities with player razing? God, you're a riot.


Oh, as if EVE doesn't or has never had bugs? I'm looking forward to SC. I am going to have a lot of fun on there, far more fun than I've ever had in EVE. Hate it all you want. Makes no difference to me. Its going to have the 3 elements I've wanted in EVE, but CCP will never be able to accomplish in just one game alone.

1st Person View cockpit flight.
1st Person View ground based inside/outside ship combat.
Multi-crewed Ships. 《---Those are going to be fun.

And no TiDi is going to be great.


Look bud, maybe my skepticism is too wild but when I saw people hyping the game thinking they could be ship insurance investigators, well, everything SC related is starting to looks like empty hype. Not to mention so many people still think its an MMO, when its shard format is more like DayZ.

Also where's the on-foot combat module footage? Did they even release footage?


perfectly my opinion, SC is so hyped, I get sick of it. And as you said, it will never be a MMO neither will Elite be. There is no rival to EVE on the horizon. Would WiS improve EVE? Well maybe, but come one, what would it do good except I could show of my fancy new fashion? A corp office would be fun, but yeah, there is so much to do in EVE that is way more needed than WiS. I still use Captains Quarters and it would be nice of the door opens finally, but not sure how often I would stroll through stations and interact with players, when it is so much easier and faster to just do this in a chat window or Teamseak/EveVoice. But that is just me.
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