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Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#141 - 2014-07-26 17:16:16 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Sirinda wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Ugh, let me reword that. What I mean is, if players disagree with racism and homophobia, they should use in-game tools to oppose it, rather than relying on CCP to govern it.


You are aware that people have been found guilty for online harrassment/mobbing by RL courts?

Additionally, some people seem to disagree in the fact there are some lines that should not be crossed.

I mean, WTF. Leave the victim of in game racisn to fend for themselves, spouting HTFU along the way? What is wrong with you?


There's nothing wrong with me, what is wrong is when people believe that online avatars represent real life personalities.


Whether you like it or not, there is a real person sitting at the computer, there is a certain level of anger or annoyance, where it is very likely the actions of the ingame avatars are aimed at the rl person, and thus opening themselves to justifyable contempt.
Dave Stark
#142 - 2014-07-26 17:17:05 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
In both cases the problem is the intent to further upset another person.
you seem to be mistaking "intending to upset some one" with "intending to play the game, which is unfortunately populated by people who get upset at losing video games"
I dunno, it seems pretty clear that the aggressor was not just "playing the game". They saw the C&P tear post then hunted them down specifically to get their share of tears.


no, it's not "pretty clear" at all.

you just want it to be that way otherwise you're terrible trolling attempts have no ground to stand on.
Nah, it's pretty clear.


lack of supporting evidence dictates otherwise.
Hicksimus
Torgue
#143 - 2014-07-26 17:18:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Hicksimus
There's a real difference between harassment and simply trying to make somebody lose more ships.

Ex.1) I make your ship explode and you swear at me, you call me names, I lead you on and you die some more then I call you names. Problem 1) You started it 2) I'm not harassing you I'm winding you up so I can stomp you again. That's part of EvE HTFU! <- my current war targets are in this boat and reporting me.

Ex. 2) You get camped in a station by myself and some friends. You spend 4 days being an enraged racist, sexist, hate mongering self proclaimed bible belt American(real example). See, this is somebody harassing people, he's not playing the game, he's not trying to psych somebody out......he just didn't like women, homosexuals, colored people or socialists a whole lot.

Recruitment Officer: What type of a pilot are you? Me: I've been described as a Ray Charles with Parkinsons and a drinking problem.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#144 - 2014-07-26 17:19:14 UTC
Barton Breau wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Sirinda wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Ugh, let me reword that. What I mean is, if players disagree with racism and homophobia, they should use in-game tools to oppose it, rather than relying on CCP to govern it.


You are aware that people have been found guilty for online harrassment/mobbing by RL courts?

Additionally, some people seem to disagree in the fact there are some lines that should not be crossed.

I mean, WTF. Leave the victim of in game racisn to fend for themselves, spouting HTFU along the way? What is wrong with you?


There's nothing wrong with me, what is wrong is when people believe that online avatars represent real life personalities.


Whether you like it or not, there is a real person sitting at the computer, there is a certain level of anger or annoyance, where it is very likely the actions of the ingame avatars are aimed at the rl person, and thus opening themselves to justifyable contempt.

So what do I do in this situation, dial 911?

Oh god.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#145 - 2014-07-26 17:20:04 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
lack of supporting evidence dictates otherwise.
I have given all the evidence I require to be 100% certain of the facts.

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Dave Stark
#146 - 2014-07-26 17:21:52 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
lack of supporting evidence dictates otherwise.
I have given all the evidence I require to be 100% certain of the facts.


if you've already given all of your evidence then you're either incorrect or deluded. *shrug*
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#147 - 2014-07-26 17:23:54 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
lack of supporting evidence dictates otherwise.
I have given all the evidence I require to be 100% certain of the facts.
if you've already given all of your evidence then you're either incorrect or deluded. *shrug*
Or I'm completely correct. Which I am. CCP, ban the harasser!

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Dave Stark
#148 - 2014-07-26 17:24:27 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
lack of supporting evidence dictates otherwise.
I have given all the evidence I require to be 100% certain of the facts.
if you've already given all of your evidence then you're either incorrect or deluded. *shrug*
Or I'm completely correct. Which I am. CCP, ban the harasser!

please, you're not on the CSM. you have no power here.
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#149 - 2014-07-26 17:25:11 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:

So what do I do in this situation, dial 911?


Considering the reasons some people get restraining orders or get fired for, your joke fails.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#150 - 2014-07-26 17:27:19 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
please, you're not on the CSM. you have no power here.
Wait, you mean I'm not space famous?
FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU!!!

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Dave Stark
#151 - 2014-07-26 17:29:41 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
please, you're not on the CSM. you have no power here.
Wait, you mean I'm not space famous?
FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU!!!

there there, buddy. It'll all be ok.

i'll put the kettle on, how many sugars?
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#152 - 2014-07-26 17:31:21 UTC
Barton Breau wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:

So what do I do in this situation, dial 911?


Considering the reasons some people get restraining orders or get fired for, your joke fails.

It's not a joke. My online social accounts hold no reference whatsoever to my online personality or any of the real life habits I wish to keep secret, such as my cocaine addiction, which I feel entirely comfortable sharing here in this thread. That's because I want people to think I'm someone far more presentable than my own behaviour enables.

When I become anonymous, I can behave (mostly) as I wish and any offense I take from others can be shrugged off fairly easily (barring a few petty grudges, but those are just for fun). I can't do that with real people.

Oh god.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#153 - 2014-07-26 17:32:08 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
please, you're not on the CSM. you have no power here.
Wait, you mean I'm not space famous?
FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU!!!

there there, buddy. It'll all be ok.

i'll put the kettle on, how many sugars?
Eugh, hot drinks. I'm a programmer. Coke and energy drinks is all I need (so like 15 sugars).

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Dave Stark
#154 - 2014-07-26 17:34:33 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
please, you're not on the CSM. you have no power here.
Wait, you mean I'm not space famous?
FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU!!!

there there, buddy. It'll all be ok.

i'll put the kettle on, how many sugars?
Eugh, hot drinks. I'm a programmer. Coke and energy drinks is all I need (so like 15 sugars).


Well, i'm an englishman so it's tea, or tea, i'm afraid.
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#155 - 2014-07-26 17:34:52 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
please, you're not on the CSM. you have no power here.
Wait, you mean I'm not space famous?
FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU!!!

there there, buddy. It'll all be ok.

i'll put the kettle on, how many sugars?


I should really watch "Keeping mum" again.....
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#156 - 2014-07-26 17:38:58 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Barton Breau wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:

So what do I do in this situation, dial 911?


Considering the reasons some people get restraining orders or get fired for, your joke fails.

It's not a joke. My online social accounts hold no reference whatsoever to my online personality or any of the real life habits I wish to keep secret, such as my ******* addiction, which I feel entirely comfortable sharing here in this thread. That's because I want people to think I'm someone far more presentable than my own behaviour enables.

When I become anonymous, I can behave (mostly) as I wish and any offense I take from others can be shrugged off fairly easily (barring a few petty grudges, but those are just for fun). I can't do that with real people.


This is the eternal problem, once you can destroy the labor of a avatar, that represents either online or subscription time, where is the difference between doing that and, say burning down ones matchstick model of the eiffel tower he has made in his spare time? :)

Those were just matches, heres 2 bucks for them :)
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#157 - 2014-07-26 17:40:39 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
please, you're not on the CSM. you have no power here.
Wait, you mean I'm not space famous?
FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU!!!

there there, buddy. It'll all be ok.

i'll put the kettle on, how many sugars?
Eugh, hot drinks. I'm a programmer. Coke and energy drinks is all I need (so like 15 sugars).


Well, i'm an englishman so it's tea, or tea, i'm afraid.
Hey me too buddy. We come in varieties now, didn't you know?

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#158 - 2014-07-26 17:45:29 UTC
Barton Breau wrote:
where is the difference between doing that and, say burning down ones matchstick model of the eiffel tower he has made in his spare time? :)

Read the EULA.

Oh god.
Dave Stark
#159 - 2014-07-26 17:46:39 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Hey me too buddy. We come in varieties now, didn't you know?


nonsense, englishmen don't come in a non-tea drinking variety!
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#160 - 2014-07-26 17:48:47 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Barton Breau wrote:
where is the difference between doing that and, say burning down ones matchstick model of the eiffel tower he has made in his spare time? :)

Read the EULA.



Not much weight in most countries, hower, point taken, this thread is about harrassment, the key points to observe here are not theft, or destruction, but spcifically the mention of forums as the reason for the attack and the continuing of roleplay despite seeing it makes the player only more irrate.