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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#81 - 2014-07-26 16:23:30 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
Erotica 1 wasn't banned for in-game harassment.
It was in character, the only difference was the method of communication. If it had happened on EVE-voice it would have been treated the same. They drew the line on this one and they need to consistently enforce that. Or will this only get looked at if someone starts posting it to major news sites?
You clearly don't know what Erotica 1 was banned for.
Sure I do. E1 was banned for making Ripard Teg all mad by scamming people and asking them to sing songs. The way it was then presented by CCP is that E1 scammed him, he got upset, then instead of stopping E1 continued to push for more until the target got irate.
In this case the aggressor saw the clearly upset player and then decided to specifically hunt them down and push them more until they got irate.

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Kaaeliaa
Tyrannos Sunset
#82 - 2014-07-26 16:24:42 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Kaaeliaa wrote:
ITT: socially inept psychopaths defending other socially inept psychopaths.

/popcorn


Why can't you sympathise with psychopaths? Are you a hypocrite?


I sympathize with them.

People that get this much pleasure out of ruining someone else's day need psychological help, and I am perfectly happy to see my taxes go to making treatment available.

What these people DON'T need is a sanctioned outlet for their personality disorders.

"Do not lift the veil. Do not show the door. Do not split the dream."
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#83 - 2014-07-26 16:26:01 UTC
Kaaeliaa wrote:
People that get this much pleasure out of ruining someone else's day need psychological help.

No they don't, you know absolutely **** all.

Oh god.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#84 - 2014-07-26 16:27:21 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
the aggressor saw the clearly upset player and then decided to specifically hunt them down and push them more until they got irate.

Ah. Lucky the lawyers didn't get involved then.

Oh god.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#85 - 2014-07-26 16:27:49 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
So after 30 days, I can follow you around, ganking bumping and insulting you for all eternity? No matter how upset you get? I think you'll find CCP rules don't simply stop once you hit the 30 day mark. You can't even repeatedly follow someone around and bump them in loads of different systems, so you damn well can't hunt someone down to attack them simply because you know they are upset in real life and want to upset them more.

Yes, CCP provides Locator Agents in game so you can find somebody. The situation you mention in OP doesn't indicate that Faylee had repeatedly followed the so-called victim. Bumping someone is CCP endorsed game play (I don't think I need to link you Falcon's official statement on it, do I?).
You can go ahead and link Falcon's post if you want, but it would be better just to quote directly from the sticky in C&P:
Quote:
However, persistent targeting of a player with bumping by following them around after they have made an effort to move on to another location can be classified as harassment, and this will be judged on a case by case basis.


Sibyyl wrote:
The last part of your statement. I think it would be impossible for you to prove that Faylee is attacking the so-called victim for the reasons you state.
The linked chatlog posted by Faylee, and the post it was originally linked on in C&P would seem to be proof enough.

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Maekchu
Doomheim
#86 - 2014-07-26 16:28:02 UTC
Kaaeliaa wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Kaaeliaa wrote:
ITT: socially inept psychopaths defending other socially inept psychopaths.

/popcorn


Why can't you sympathise with psychopaths? Are you a hypocrite?


I sympathize with them.

People that get this much pleasure out of ruining someone else's day need psychological help, and I am perfectly happy to see my taxes go to making treatment available.

What these people DON'T need is a sanctioned outlet for their personality disorders.

I totally fap to tears.
Kaaeliaa
Tyrannos Sunset
#87 - 2014-07-26 16:28:04 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Kaaeliaa wrote:
People that get this much pleasure out of ruining someone else's day need psychological help.

No they don't, you know absolutely **** all.


You should really see someone.

There's no shame in admitting you have a problem. Getting defensive about it isn't going to help anyone.

"Do not lift the veil. Do not show the door. Do not split the dream."
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#88 - 2014-07-26 16:29:59 UTC
Kaaeliaa wrote:
You should really see someone.

There's no shame in admitting you have a problem. Getting defensive about it isn't going to help anyone.

There is great shame in admitting you have an antisocial disorder. Society will shun you.

Oh god.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#89 - 2014-07-26 16:30:44 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
after reading the short and uneventful pastebin.

i have no idea how you even thought it was anywhere near harassment.
although xenodc should really be banned, i'm pretty sure "given a healthy dose of radiator in head and crotch" is basically a real life threat?
I'm pretty sure the ban would be ineffective. Since XenoDC was already clearly upset and then further pushed, I'd be surprised if he continue playing.
But who needs the ACU count to go up right? We all love games filled with nobody but bots and trolls, they always go well.

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Kaaeliaa
Tyrannos Sunset
#90 - 2014-07-26 16:32:31 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Kaaeliaa wrote:
You should really see someone.

There's no shame in admitting you have a problem. Getting defensive about it isn't going to help anyone.

There is great shame in admitting you have an antisocial disorder. Society will shun you.


Which is absolutely wrong and makes it extremely difficult for people that need help to get it.

When I said I had empathy for people with psychological disorders, I wasn't kidding, and there's a good reason for it.

"Do not lift the veil. Do not show the door. Do not split the dream."
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#91 - 2014-07-26 16:33:00 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
after reading the short and uneventful pastebin.

i have no idea how you even thought it was anywhere near harassment.
although xenodc should really be banned, i'm pretty sure "given a healthy dose of radiator in head and crotch" is basically a real life threat?
I'm pretty sure the ban would be ineffective. Since XenoDC was already clearly upset and then further pushed, I'd be surprised if he continue playing.
But who needs the ACU count to go up right? We all love games filled with nobody but bots and trolls, they always go well.

Are you even certain what your point is here lucas ?

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#92 - 2014-07-26 16:33:10 UTC
To answer the original question of the OP, no, this is not harassment.

Because throwing a **** flinging, caps locking fit does not, should not, and hopefully will never grant anyone immunity to having their dumb ass blown up.

It's their own damned fault if they get upset about pixels.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#93 - 2014-07-26 16:33:58 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Eveboard has them at over 22mil sp. that's far more than a year's worth. I don't have any personal grudges in here, but speaking as someone who has been blapped for a goodly chunk of their net worth in the past, and subsequently ragequit... then came back for more, I find the arguments against this activity hollow. Sorry, but Faylee didn't force the target to open fire. They had a wide range of options available to them, yet they chose violence and it ended poorly for them. That sucks, but it's EVE.

7 out of 8 bears run like hell when they see someone go suspect near them. The alleged 'victim' here chose to be the 1 in 8 that opens fire. Their choice, their consequences. This happened over two hours after the initial tear-filled thread was started... plenty of time for the 'victim' to either take a chill pill, get laid, log out, or all of the above.
A years worth is around 22.7m I believe.

And bull, I bet Faylee did the usual "fly towards them targeting and going suspect so they think they are being attacked and can engage with green safety" method. At the end of the day though, Faylee wouldn't have even been there if he hadn't seen that they were upset and knew he could upset them more.

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Maekchu
Doomheim
#94 - 2014-07-26 16:35:12 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
To answer the original question of the OP, no, this is not harassment.

Because throwing a **** flinging, caps locking fit does not, should not, and hopefully will never grant anyone immunity to having their dumb ass blown up.

It's their own damned fault if they get upset about pixels.

But the psychological torture he had to endure!?

Think of the children!
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#95 - 2014-07-26 16:36:08 UTC
Kaaeliaa wrote:
Which is absolutely wrong and makes it extremely difficult for people that need help to get it.

The only help that is required is for governments and global councils to do a better job of looking after the underprivileged.

Oh god.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#96 - 2014-07-26 16:36:30 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
after reading the short and uneventful pastebin.

i have no idea how you even thought it was anywhere near harassment.
although xenodc should really be banned, i'm pretty sure "given a healthy dose of radiator in head and crotch" is basically a real life threat?
I'm pretty sure the ban would be ineffective. Since XenoDC was already clearly upset and then further pushed, I'd be surprised if he continue playing.
But who needs the ACU count to go up right? We all love games filled with nobody but bots and trolls, they always go well.

Are you even certain what your point is here lucas ?
Yes. People that purposely seek to upset other players who are already upset should be swiftly booted, because it's unhealthy for the game to get rid of it's appeal to new players just because some antisocial neckbeard is on a power trip and gets off on upsetting people.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#97 - 2014-07-26 16:37:30 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
To answer the original question of the OP, no, this is not harassment.

Because throwing a **** flinging, caps locking fit does not, should not, and hopefully will never grant anyone immunity to having their dumb ass blown up.

It's their own damned fault if they get upset about pixels.
But they were already upset before this engagement. So if you see someone is clearly upset, you would say that it's OK to purposely hunt them down to upset them more?

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#98 - 2014-07-26 16:39:40 UTC
Pretty sure Faylee didn't bump em with anything other than Void (S). If by persistant you mean until they are dead, then by golly you gots yourself a point. While Faylee may have been motivated by the tear drenched post on C&P, they did what they did once, not persistently. And when they did that thing, the so-called 'victim' shot at them, making pretty much the majority of this thread a moot point. We have no evidence that said individual bothered trying to move to avoid what Faylee was doing, as the incident which spurred the initial post happened in an entirely different system.

You know what, here's the real problem. You are so absolutely sure that you are in the right that you are not going to listen to anything that doesn't support the fallacious point you are trying to make. As such it's rather pointless to bother trying to argue. Instead, I think I'll spend my time trying to find a bear to murder before I have to do that sleep thing. Maybe they too will post some kind of threadnaught of rage and tears to rival the one you currently champion. Here's the rub tho, I have no idea who they will be....

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#99 - 2014-07-26 16:39:42 UTC
It all comes down to stupidity and the willingness to be mistreated.

And regarding E1. Yes, I would ban a hazing fraternity from my campus, but I would not call it harassment if it isn't. Hazing doesn't work without participants and I am sure they all volunteered at some point, everything that follows is at least half their fault usually way more. And Hazed poeple in thsoe institution usually bring their own fuel to start the fire and keep it burning longer and brighter.

You should check the darwin awards - for the good of the species.

I have no compasion for or empathy towards idiots.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#100 - 2014-07-26 16:39:50 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:

But who needs the ACU count to go up right? We all love games filled with nobody but bots and trolls, they always go well.


Why should CCP, or the community, bother with someone like that anyway? I'd rather minus one, than plus one toxic rager like that.

I try to cultivate the EVE that I would want to play. And I would not want to play with someone like that.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.