EVE General Discussion

Choices are important, and so are consequences. But when you choose something intentionally after weighing the consequences and it ceases to mean what you chose, that's a problem.

I'm in favor of a refund here.

dp

"i read someone else make a sound argument on favor of not refunding SP on another discussion that totally sounds like this one, so im just going to repeat it here, even though everything indicates this is not he same situation." - everyone else on this thread.

this has been discussed already while this patch was on SiSi, the skill did one thing, now does another one completely different. the skill should have been refunded. it wasn't.
how many random players who have NO interest in industry had that skill trained at least to IV? even if you never made one hull, you still made ammo to turn it into faction, fuel blocks, etc, etc. now when you go make a batch of ammo its done faster! isk/h goes up!. no it doesn't, it was a crap job that you did once a month and usually would sit there for days before you had time to go deliver it and trade it for faction. the only reason why you invested 6 days of training in it was to get the waste down under market sell price. you deserve your SP back.

so whats left is to think why it wasn't refunded. it's not because it didn't fit the accepted requirements for a refund, but because CCP decided they didn't want to refund it. now, next time they change a skill, one that invalidates weeks or months of training on gunnery, or Spaceship Control, don't come crying when CCP doesn't refund you ****.

again, in case its not clear. saying "no you wont get refunded because the skills didn't meet the criteria xxxx" is just ********, because even if it did meet that criteria in an even more obvious way than it does now, CCP still wont refund it. refunds are over. and that's a load of garbage.



wrong.

it case you still need more clarification, its the refunds that are over, trying to fabricate a reasoning around why this specific skill wasn't refunded is just pointless.

this will lead to the already classical human drama of a change in policy not effecting you and people like you not caring , until it irrevocably ends up affecting you and then you'll find that we wont have any sympathy for you.

I would like CCP to change Surgical Strikes to give a 1% bonus to falloff. Rename the skill to Long Range Strikes. No refunds.

Watch the tears.

Things change. Suck it up. If you don't like it, don't play.

They recently nerfed sentries to ****, I don't whine asking for a refund.

Maybe the reason you're not whining is because they didn't.

Many people are saying that the way things are is the way things have always been. No argument there. But that isn't a particularly strong argument for keeping things the same way.

The argument seems to be that so long as some bonus exists for a skill, then you got what you paid for. Some bonus.

I disagree. I think that we paid to train a specific skill for a specific bonus, and when that's taken away, that is exactly not what we paid for.

I find that a little difficult to believe. I know it's popular to think that CCP devs don't know that you can put where clauses on sql statements and that lots of people think that rewriting eve with multithreading support is just a matter of a year or whatever, but I don't buy it.

There is a long history of policy about skill refunds, and don't think it has anything to do with how hard that would be technically. There's a philosophy that says that as long as a skill has a benefit, that's your consequence, and it doesn't matter if it is the one you intended when you made the choice to train it. That attitude is wrong. If CCP can be persuaded that it's the wrong attitude, we will see changes.

I don't think it has anything at all to do with how difficult it would be to do it.

Okay. Welp. I was wrong about that.

James said something; I disagreed; he came back with good evidence, and I ate my words. No need to be a **** about it. Geez.