EVE General Discussion

Highsec is far too safe as is.

If the price of your sub is making it more safe, then don't let the door hit you.

You know that risk is a matter of value, not just numbers, right?

So why are you lying?

…demonstrated the yearly totals as well as what happened in a single month the year after. So not only did you not read, you didn't watch or listen. You also didn't correlate this data with other important factors such as population. You didn't think.

So again: do you have any data, facts, evidence, actual arguments, or anything else to support your position? Anything?

…which, no matter how often you repeat that unproven assumption, does not affect the risks or the effort.

I give you something back if you provide something. You have nothing to provide, and you know this, which is why you chose the route of fallacies, lies, misinformation, misinterpretation, and wilful ignorance.

what value? 90% of big battles in null are just pre-ordered dances just because players are bored and want to shot each other.

The thing is you aren't going to be living in alliance space, well at all if you aren't friendly to them. That is with the assumption, the base is alliance held sovereign space. If you are in alliance space, and not blue to them, you can be killed on sight, you can't dock up, you can't do a damn thing. So yes, my comparison is of that to living in your alliance blue space.

I don't think anyone goes out into sov null sec, and says to hell with it, I'm living here now, I don't care who owns this place. Yeah, that's about as unsafe as you can get.

Unless you are in an NPC corp in hi-sec (which would be safest), Null can be safer than hi-sec. All because of local chat.

In Null-sec a neut enters system and you immediately know so you safe up and/or deal with them. Hi-sec is filled with neuts, and while there is CONCORD as a deterrent, if they don't feel like ganking, they could simply war-dec you. Although a war target can be easily spotted because of local chat, neutrals that always exist become potential war targets as well. Eg. logi alts.

In Null, you know what you are facing the moment it enters the system, but going up against war targets in hi-sec means you never truly know what you will face.

So yes, as someone who split their time between hi-sec and null-sec, the sea of blue is certainly safer. However, in hi-sec, I can run missions and/or mine for longer periods of time and with less interruptions.


Hi sec is the only area in the game with a well established market. Lots of everything for variable and reasonable prices. Once you get into low and null, much of what you'd want (depending on what it is you do) can't even be found and the little that can is over priced.


However, this is an effect and not a cause. It's the effect of having the vast majority of the games population playing there. Particularly the indy players.

So with the market being an effect and not a cause, what is the real cause of people preferring hi-sec over null or low? The sheer mechanics of the game is the root cause.

People start out in hi-sec. The mechanics that are unique to hi-sec is what they first learn about and become comfortable with. If they want safety then they can just stay in NPC corps (worry only about gankers) and if they want risk, they can make or join a corp (continue to worry about gankers but also worry about being war dec'ed). Once you know the response of CONCORD and know what drives most people to gank, you can practically eliminate being ganked.

So to sum up, no amount of buff this and nerf that will cause any significant change to the distribution of population within the game. The only thing that can be done is to make drastic changes and bring hi-sec mechanics for safety to null-sec. Since nobody wants this, then HTFU and deal with the fact that where players play (% wise) will not change by any significant amount.

Destruction does not equal risk. Smaller population with a higher average income, plus SRP, isk losses means jack ****. Like I said previously, you have no first hand experience and are basing your argument off of ISK value alone. The miner doesn't have an SRP program funded by moon goo and renter's taxes to replace his ship when it gets ganked.

Nor does he know friend from foe.

Or know when that ganker is coming to get him.

In null sec you have so much warning you pretty much have to be afk to be a victim.

All you've linked is ISK value on losses, which means nothing when those ships are replaced for free.

Yes, all things equal solo pilot and solo pilot, null sec is far more risky and dangerous than empire. It is the environment created by players that has made it safer, what I'm saying is that the effort to do so, is not equivalent to the reward with current game mechanics.

Good thing that you're the only one claiming that equality, then.

…means the risks are actually even higher since the loss per capita is that much higher. The rest is irrelevant.

(Since I know you can't be arsed with actually figuring out any data, here's some for you: for 2013, the loss per population-percent for highsec was 2.3tn; for nullsec, it was 8.2tn. Now we're approaching something that is an actual measure of risk.)

…is infinitely more than you have to offer. So do you have any data, facts, evidence, actual arguments, or anything else to support your position? Anything? Or should we just write you off as a the clueless highsec miner you appear to be?

Do you have anything to support this claim?

No, the fun part is that you ask this while quoting a post that provides the answer.

Becsuse I stopped followig ******** links provided by you in the past.

How much of that 8.2tn was reimbursed by alliance SRP replacement? Did that really hit the players wallets hard? Is it so risky for them to bring that fleet doctrine ship into a null sec fleet battle, that they knew in advance was going to happen? Right.
I can provide links to CFC SRP program if you like, if you think what I'm saying is untrue.

Yes, I can support that claim. In empire, you don't know friend or foe, in null sec you absolutely do. In empire, you don't know when your enemies are coming to hunt you, in null sec, you very well do.

Your turn.