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Should I give up on Null?
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#61 - 2014-07-27 14:26:38 UTC
Otuk Andven wrote:
Then wait and discover SRP is not paying out due to alliance drama, theft and leadership changes.

If you're getting Baki Yuku'ed, I think you have bigger problems.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Otuk Andven
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2014-07-27 16:11:36 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Otuk Andven wrote:
Then wait and discover SRP is not paying out due to alliance drama, theft and leadership changes.

If you're getting Baki Yuku'ed, I think you have bigger problems.


well it was more an argument between leading corps over moongoo disruption, then a load of ISK disappeared from accounts, then one agreed to leave over it. This all funded the SRP
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#63 - 2014-07-27 16:15:07 UTC
No offense. But if you expect to take advantages of an alliance (the isk) without contributing then I think you are looking at the wrong place. Still it is possible to do nullsec pve is thats what you want to do. You just have to be the guy who steals it from them.

But I think this can help you getting started: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4063673#post4063673

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Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2014-07-27 18:11:04 UTC
Otuk Andven wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Otuk Andven wrote:
Then wait and discover SRP is not paying out due to alliance drama, theft and leadership changes.

If you're getting Baki Yuku'ed, I think you have bigger problems.


well it was more an argument between leading corps over moongoo disruption, then a load of ISK disappeared from accounts, then one agreed to leave over it. This all funded the SRP

So your problem isn't with nullsec...it's just with crappy alliances.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#65 - 2014-07-28 04:13:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Mizhir wrote:
No offense. But if you expect to take advantages of an alliance (the isk) without contributing then I think you are looking at the wrong place. Still it is possible to do nullsec pve is thats what you want to do. You just have to be the guy who steals it from them.

But I think this can help you getting started: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4063673#post4063673


+2 for recognizing and explaining that one must give in order to receive. Null sec is not the place for the selfish, self centered lone wolf type, that's what High Sec (and to a lesser extent, low sec and low lvl wormhole space) is for.

-1 for linking an Infinity Ziona thread. Good news, that still leaves you with +1 lol
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#66 - 2014-07-28 04:43:36 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Mizhir wrote:
No offense. But if you expect to take advantages of an alliance (the isk) without contributing then I think you are looking at the wrong place. Still it is possible to do nullsec pve is thats what you want to do. You just have to be the guy who steals it from them.

But I think this can help you getting started: *clip*

+2 for recognizing and explaining that one must give in orer to recieve. Null sec is not the place for the selfish, self centered lone wolf type, that's what High Sec (and to a lesser extent, low sec and low lvl wormhole space) is for.

-1 for linking an Infinity Ziona thread. Good news, that still leaves you with +1 lol

He's on his way to billions of isk per hour with minimal effort, as suggested by that thread

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2014-07-28 05:00:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Tao Dolcino
Bravo ! You have wonderfully depicted your experience in null.
Send them to hell and do something by yourself !
The true carebear attitude is not high sec, as they always repeat in their propaganda, but its bowing to their laws !
Have courage and dignity my friend, and leave them.
Be free, there are many other ways to have a life (and a social life) in EVE more interesting and fun.
All what has to do with sovereignty sucks, because it means submission.
Do you want to stay their paw ?
Or do you want to build something with like-minded, open-minded people ?
Time for you to seek a new community.

PS : Come on, don't be that passive guy ! You should not even ask US what YOU should do, damnit !
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#68 - 2014-07-28 05:17:19 UTC
Totally fell for it.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Handar Turiant
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2014-07-28 07:48:37 UTC
Otuk Andven wrote:
I've been in Null for 6 months and I'm not sure if I want to give up or not.

I'll admit I've always been a PvEer at heart, I PvP but its not my main goal in the game.

In this time with my corp I've moved from 2 alliances, rented for 3 months and trekked up and down the map at least twice. Been in a few big fleet fights and a good number of small ones, generally died without many kills. Never seen an enemy capital.

While the ISK from PvE is great, a 100m from relic sites for example I just can't enjoy the null sec population.

Its the bureaucracy of it all, providing API for this, join forum/website X and Y, get this authenticated so you can use the channel. And that even before you get into alliance politics with people leaving, drama, constant doctrine changes, com and PvE/industrial people being looked down on. And then there is the bitterness of the enemy, cloaky hot droppers who are left in system 23/7 so you can't do anything with it, constant raids and fighting for the sake of it.

You never feel like anything more than a cog in a machine that doesn't really care about you.

So I have 2 choices either move with the corp to yet another alliance or leave and try something else, either W-space or FW.


100M from a single relic site is exaggerating. I run quite a few of them in different null regions, and have yet to see the first one that nets such a large amount of ISK.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#70 - 2014-07-28 07:50:05 UTC
billions of isk per hour in nullsec exploring

endless officer and faction drops as well, guys

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Otuk Andven
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2014-07-28 07:53:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Otuk Andven
Handar Turiant wrote:


100M from a single relic site is exaggerating. I run quite a few of them in different null regions, and have yet to see the first one that nets such a large amount of ISK.


try catch with sansha relic sites that drop intact armour plates
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#72 - 2014-07-28 11:40:49 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Mizhir wrote:
No offense. But if you expect to take advantages of an alliance (the isk) without contributing then I think you are looking at the wrong place. Still it is possible to do nullsec pve is thats what you want to do. You just have to be the guy who steals it from them.

But I think this can help you getting started: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4063673#post4063673


+2 for recognizing and explaining that one must give in orer to recieve. Null sec is not the place for the selfish, self centered lone wolf type, that's what High Sec (and to a lesser extent, low sec and low lvl wormhole space) is for.

-1 for linking an Infinity Ziona thread. Good news, that still leaves you with +1 lol





I'm aware that Infinity Ziona is one of the biggest drama queens here, but I thought it was easier to link that thread rather than explaining the concept of stealing candy from renters.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#73 - 2014-07-28 12:19:52 UTC
Otuk Andven wrote:
I've been in Null for 6 months and I'm not sure if I want to give up or not.

I'll admit I've always been a PvEer at heart, I PvP but its not my main goal in the game.

In this time with my corp I've moved from 2 alliances, rented for 3 months and trekked up and down the map at least twice. Been in a few big fleet fights and a good number of small ones, generally died without many kills. Never seen an enemy capital.


This means you've picked the wrong group. Despite claims to the contrary, Null sec has all kinds of different groups/corps. if you don't like one, try another till you find the one that fits you.

I'm a PVEr too, so much so that there were times when my jabber would go off (someone pinging for a pvp fleet of some kind) i'd get ticked off because they wanted to interrupt mah carebearin. Solution: i eventually moved on to an alliance that doesn't not have 'CTAs' and bear'd when I wanted to, pvp'd when i wanted to. Though usually i'd just contribute to my corp/alliance by lighting cynos and moving stuff in carrier and jump freighters when they needed.

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While the ISK from PvE is great, a 100m from relic sites for example I just can't enjoy the null sec population.

Its the bureaucracy of it all, providing API for this, join forum/website X and Y, get this authenticated so you can use the channel. And that even before you get into alliance politics with people leaving, drama, constant doctrine changes, com and PvE/industrial people being looked down on. And then there is the bitterness of the enemy, cloaky hot droppers who are left in system 23/7 so you can't do anything with it, constant raids and fighting for the sake of it.

You never feel like anything more than a cog in a machine that doesn't really care about you.

So I have 2 choices either move with the corp to yet another alliance or leave and try something else, either W-space or FW.


I highlighted your problem. Your mindset is not a match for null sec which is (big) GROUP space. Time and time again people on these forums complain that "the little guy" can't make it in null and such. Well, he isn't supposed to, Null sec is organized group space, if you want solo or small group, that's what High Sec, Low Sec, Faction Warfare, NPC null and low end wormhole space is for. SOV Null and high end wormholes are for bigger more organized groups.

If you need someone to 'care' about you or what you do in a video game, you issue goes way beyond a video game lol. And I've been in several alliances (Atlas, IT, -A-, Raiden, NCDot, TEST, INIT then back to NCDot), carebearing it up the whole time and no one ever gave me any grief, mainly because I knew when it was time for me (carebearing), and when it was time for my group (pvp, support like hauling or training newbies).

That last sentence above is the basic difference between a null player and your average high sec "lone wolf/screw 'the man' ima be solo because yolo" types btw.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#74 - 2014-07-28 12:29:39 UTC
Otuk Andven wrote:
I've been in Null for 6 months and I'm not sure if I want to give up or not.

I'll admit I've always been a PvEer at heart, I PvP but its not my main goal in the game.

In this time with my corp I've moved from 2 alliances, rented for 3 months and trekked up and down the map at least twice. Been in a few big fleet fights and a good number of small ones, generally died without many kills. Never seen an enemy capital.

While the ISK from PvE is great, a 100m from relic sites for example I just can't enjoy the null sec population.

Its the bureaucracy of it all, providing API for this, join forum/website X and Y, get this authenticated so you can use the channel. And that even before you get into alliance politics with people leaving, drama, constant doctrine changes, com and PvE/industrial people being looked down on. And then there is the bitterness of the enemy, cloaky hot droppers who are left in system 23/7 so you can't do anything with it, constant raids and fighting for the sake of it.

You never feel like anything more than a cog in a machine that doesn't really care about you.

So I have 2 choices either move with the corp to yet another alliance or leave and try something else, either W-space or FW.


I can tell you from personal experience that finding a corp that actually values you for something other than you skill points and paplink clicking is the hardest thing in this game but it's worth the effort to find one.

Not today spaghetti.
Otuk Andven
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2014-07-28 13:07:39 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:


I highlighted your problem. Your mindset is not a match for null sec which is (big) GROUP space. Time and time again people on these forums complain that "the little guy" can't make it in null and such. Well, he isn't supposed to, Null sec is organized group space, if you want solo or small group, that's what High Sec, Low Sec, Faction Warfare, NPC null and low end wormhole space is for. SOV Null and high end wormholes are for bigger more organized groups.


Just to check one kind of numbers do we categorise for sov null? When I say that I mean pilots, not alts? Lets say we're have a corp of 100 characters but about only 10-15 regular people online/on coms
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#76 - 2014-07-28 13:23:44 UTC
Otuk Andven wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


I highlighted your problem. Your mindset is not a match for null sec which is (big) GROUP space. Time and time again people on these forums complain that "the little guy" can't make it in null and such. Well, he isn't supposed to, Null sec is organized group space, if you want solo or small group, that's what High Sec, Low Sec, Faction Warfare, NPC null and low end wormhole space is for. SOV Null and high end wormholes are for bigger more organized groups.


Just to check one kind of numbers do we categorise for sov null? When I say that I mean pilots, not alts? Lets say we're have a corp of 100 characters but about only 10-15 regular people online/on coms


Whatever "numbers" get the job done. That's why you see null corps with 5 or 6 real player, but they are in an Alliance (and/or coalition) with enough people to get the job done. I know of several corps with one real player in them in renting alliances, for example.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2014-07-28 13:28:00 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
billions of isk per hour in nullsec exploring

endless officer and faction drops as well, guys


Money for nuthin' and our chicks for free.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Venjenz Sake
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#78 - 2014-07-28 13:50:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Venjenz Sake
Per OP question - yes, you should give up on Null.

Sounds to me like you want ISK, not too many hassles getting it, in a relatively safe PVE framework. Uhm, that's highsec incursions, and there's a bunch of options for them. When you aren't doing that, there's L4 grinding.

Done. Lots of ISK, no corp worries.

Nullsec corps are any other MMO's raiding guilds. Even if you find the perfect one, you're making the game a job, at least to some degree. For lots of people, that's cool. For others, like the OP, not so much. If you want the game to stay a game without any job element whatsoever, avoid things like "responsibilities" and "duties" and phrases like "what we expect" etc. All necessary components of large team gameplay, but not high up on the solo PVE'er "I want my game my way" list of things that make games fun.

Thing is, you aren't the first player who wants the high end raid gear and doesn't feel like doing the 500 raids to get it. Most common lament of high end MMO gaming, besides how much every dev hates you, your class/race/ship/etc, and codes specifically to punish you. You want nullsec's rewards and want to skip out on the work.

Yeah, quit nullsec now, with all possible haste. Better for you, better for the corp that wastes resources and effort on members who are meh.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#79 - 2014-07-28 18:17:52 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
I know of several corps with one real player in them in renting alliances, for example.

Pretty much.

Anyone interested in renting (nullsec is so safe ad isk is pouring out everywhere!) we still have some systems open.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#80 - 2014-07-28 18:21:04 UTC
Venjenz Sake wrote:
Per OP question - yes, you should give up on Null.

Sounds to me like you want ISK, not too many hassles getting it, in a relatively safe PVE framework. Uhm, that's highsec incursions, and there's a bunch of options for them. When you aren't doing that, there's L4 grinding.

Done. Lots of ISK, no corp worries.

Nullsec corps are any other MMO's raiding guilds. Even if you find the perfect one, you're making the game a job, at least to some degree. For lots of people, that's cool. For others, like the OP, not so much. If you want the game to stay a game without any job element whatsoever, avoid things like "responsibilities" and "duties" and phrases like "what we expect" etc. All necessary components of large team gameplay, but not high up on the solo PVE'er "I want my game my way" list of things that make games fun.

Thing is, you aren't the first player who wants the high end raid gear and doesn't feel like doing the 500 raids to get it. Most common lament of high end MMO gaming, besides how much every dev hates you, your class/race/ship/etc, and codes specifically to punish you. You want nullsec's rewards and want to skip out on the work.

Yeah, quit nullsec now, with all possible haste. Better for you, better for the corp that wastes resources and effort on members who are meh.


Well said

And, the bolded part is hilarious. So, Dinsdales exist in MMOs other than EVE I see.