EVE General Discussion

What in the name of holy Cheddar, Emmental and Gruyère are you smoking?

When are carebears going to get banned from Eve. Please link me to the sentence uttered by a CCP employee with anything, in any language, terrestrial or otherwise, which says that.

Now, if you mean "What about people who get grumpy on the forums, what is the scenario if they stop playing?", well, it would mean I would have more time to market trade as I would not be answering forum posts all the time


Finally, pvp seems to generate a whole lot of isk for me, unless missioners and miners have taken to using T2 ships, ammo and modules by the bucketload

I agree, CCP definitely needs to pull their head out. Obviously due to the downsizing / termination of employees, CCP can't do it and now wants the player base to do it for them.

It's the new features presented at Fanfest each year that brings in people. Due to CCP's in-ability to deliver what they promise causes players to leave. Not to mention all the buggy releases CCP constantly implements time and time again.

I talked to a few Dev's at the Hollywood E3 Meet a couple of months ago and they said that the main content engaged by the majority of the player base is PvE. Doesn't matter if it's to fund PvP, PLEX their account or just for casual gameplay, CCP knows that PvE content is what most players do in this game. Course on the other hand CCP knows that PvP content in this game creates free advertizing via news headlines in the media venues.



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Because only one of those kinds of players actually contributes anything to the game as a whole. The second kind is basically destructible terrain for all that they interact with others.

To answer the first part, its because your question was rhetorical. It was an opinion statement framed as a question. The next sentence after the question assumed already that the answer to your question was known and only the detail needed to be explained. Its a common (even without realising) forum technique - framing opinion as a question.

On the next bit, how does having people get involved in making, supporting and using third-party tools encourage a thriving community? It's community driven. Players providing each other what they want. Thats exactly the type of ingredient or mix that engages people and helps create community. The game itself doesn't create community. It just provides an environment. Giving players more tools to use to engage each other. That creates community.

Anyway, just my opinion. Everyone is entitled to theirs, especially when they disagree. Lively debate also helps create an engaged, thriving community (even in GD).

Butterflies as I read this.

/sigh

a carebear is someone who does not wholly participate in Eve. Meaning if you sit there and rat all day, collecgt isk, and never do anything else with your time or isk, you are a carebear.

Eve really is total PVP.

Combat is PVP
Industry is PVP (this includes mining if you actually do something with those materials rather than hoard them for eternity)
Trading is PVP

You either play with everyone or go hardcore and play against everyone. Either way your actions impact others. Some who shoots red boxes for 4 years and does nothing else, does not impact the game.

A lot off players try to avoid PVP and get upset when it thrust upon them. They don't want anyone else to do anything to them ever. That is a carebear.

Yes it would.

They are few in numbers but loud with their mouths. They don't add anything to the game, they don't do anything of note, they refuse to adapt or use tools available to them, they create zero content and they are forever demanding that EVE be turned into yet another WoW clone.

CCP Seagull is saying lots of things that makes me happy for the future.

So what exactly are these "carebears" doing while logged in that would cause them NOT have any impact on the game world or game economy what-so-ever?

Also, can we get a clear definition of what "carebear" refers to?

The game goes on, much as it does now, since sufficient hybrid players like myself exist (ie I'll happily shoot someone if they stand between me and the goodies in a relic), and class-substitution occurs anyway - ie BCs substitute for battleships, cruisers substitute for bc's etc, ie the average reship effort point will generally remain relevant.

All of these games are based on the original "muds" or multiuser dungeons. All of these games suffer from the same basic problem called mudflation. Mudflation is what happens when the userbase all get the endgame items and thus there is no value in collecting those items anymore. Blizzard resolve this by treadmilling the game, ie they replace all your items, and all the monsters with a new set of items and monsters that have no particular virtue other than being higher level than the ones you already had or already killed. That is extraordinairely expensive from a development perspective, forces players to pay for the same game again, and forces players to never graduate from the treadmill.

I can tell you having recently mined with (and boosted for) newbies (and not so newbies) in CAS nearly 4 freighter loads of minerals myself in a couple of weeks, that I've barely lost that many minerals in a whole career, and that if other people hadn't been losing those minerals for us, the mineral market would have been utterly trashed by 10 years of mining. ie EVEs method of resolving this issue (DESTRUCTION OF OBJECTS) is superior, because it doesn't require us to pay CCP to replace all the items that do x, y, or z, with the same items that have higher levels, an utterly pointless task.

Not really, no, as demonstrated time and again over the years when fanfest has had very little impact on activity and population and heavily publicised events have created significant bumps. And if we look at patches, the “new features” that have had the biggest (positive) impacts on the population are the ones that aren't big and fancy and bring the house down at fanfest, but the myriad of details that just make the game better. In particular, one of the biggest PvE-centric expansions did what PvE-expansions always do: cause people to leave once the content is depleted one month after release… in other words, it didn't bring in the people — it just inflated the numbers for a very short while and then made them worse than before.

So what do you base that claim on?

…and? It still doesn't change the fact that carebears are wholly unnecessary for the economy.

…but that's not what I said, now was it? I said that they are wholly unnecessary and can be removed without ill effects.

Simple: because EFT (and pyfa) already exists so why should CCP waste dev time implementing an inferior copy of something the players have already honed to perfection? They've demonstrated with pretty much every built-in tool they've created that they're not quiiiiite in touch with what players are interested in knowing or doing, whereas the tools made by the players capture what the players actually want.