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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#121 - 2014-08-11 15:13:35 UTC
James Baboli wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Don't dis an incursion FC.... He'll ban you from incursion chat channels and maybe even not let you in his fleet. Don't you see what is a risk here?? Tread carfully or eve will be ruined for you. No snobby shiny fleets. No leet FCs that spaz out over minor 'errors' when shooting little red plus signs.

Being a bad is being a bad. Target order is target order. Both of those detract from my isk/hr and theirs and make me have to farm longer to fund the next piece of content or craziness.
As for being worried about someone like that and banning him, WTF would I do that for. He won't ever try to get in, and thus won't ever find out, and so no tears. Why put in effort for no tears?



hahahahahahahaa
Danny John-Peter
The Congregation
RAPID HEAVY ROPERS
#122 - 2014-08-12 10:02:11 UTC
Cripes this thread.

I literally don't even know what this discussion is about.

CS are a decent option for lots of different PVP styles, ones like the Claymore and Sleipir are good for soloing, being relatively mobile with good DPS and a very strong active tank, ones like the Abso and Vulture are excellent fleet ships, they fit great tanks and good DPS.

There tanks are usually out-shadowed by TIIIs, they usually also out-DPS them, they also happen to be cheap.

Also the number of awful fits that come up on this forum.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#123 - 2014-08-12 10:25:56 UTC
Danny John-Peter wrote:
Cripes this thread.

I literally don't even know what this discussion is about.

CS are a decent option for lots of different PVP styles, ones like the Claymore and Sleipir are good for soloing, being relatively mobile with good DPS and a very strong active tank, ones like the Abso and Vulture are excellent fleet ships, they fit great tanks and good DPS.

There tanks are usually out-shadowed by TIIIs, they usually also out-DPS them, they also happen to be cheap.

Also the number of awful fits that come up on this forum.



Thereal issue with command shisp is their intended usage as link boats. They are inferior to T3 because they are stoll slow to keep up with cruiser fleets and their bonus is marginally larger. Comamnd ships need 5% per level bonus to links to be worth using as link platforms.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Danny John-Peter
The Congregation
RAPID HEAVY ROPERS
#124 - 2014-08-12 10:38:11 UTC
I use my Damnation and Eos plenty.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#125 - 2014-08-12 14:42:10 UTC
Danny John-Peter wrote:
I use my Damnation and Eos plenty.



The fact that someone does something does not make that something good or that usage a smart decision.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#126 - 2014-08-12 15:46:16 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Danny John-Peter wrote:
I use my Damnation and Eos plenty.



The fact that someone does something does not make that something good or that usage a smart decision.

The fact that it is possible to get a command ship which is intended purely for boosting fast enough to keep up with cruisers for a minimal investment must escape you. If you are purely using them for boosts, they can be almost as fast as frigates.

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp

Kyoko Onzo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#127 - 2014-08-13 05:58:18 UTC
CS's can be nice little solo pve ratting ships for nothing more than a t2 fit (50-80m). As has already been stated; you can treat them like a bc version of a hac. Sure the hull is more expensive than a hac but it is more effective as well. I've got mine as effective as I would have any non-faction/T2 BS (in some cases more so); yes it does cost more but I feel more secure with the added mobility of a CS over a BS (in a BS I have to rely on drones, meaning I'd be scanned down way faster, slower, less agile, etc).

I'm not very experienced with T3 cruisers, but most of the really effective ones I've seen have some pretty shiny fits which would lend to a very effective pve CS as well. The little bit I did play with a Loki the dps seemed, anaemic in comparison (even when using the sleipnirs launcher slots as utility).

Having said all that. The training for a CS is ridiculous now (used to be bc V, war link specialist IV, and heavy assault IV iirc, now it's all sorts of junk plus each individual racial bc instead of an all encompassing bc) plus if I was gonna go float about ratting with any inclination whatsoever for pvp - I'd be in a hac. So now, nah, I'd pass on a CS. The boost bonus could be a little better to make it worth it. But I've got em and eventually in time they'll end up in small gangs and possibly blown up.
Danny John-Peter
The Congregation
RAPID HEAVY ROPERS
#128 - 2014-08-13 12:55:13 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Danny John-Peter wrote:
I use my Damnation and Eos plenty.



The fact that someone does something does not make that something good or that usage a smart decision.


Well if you are providing links for a heavy tanking doctrine the extra bonus that CS provide is very useful, particularly when supporting gangs of equal or larger ship class such as other CS or BS fleets.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#129 - 2014-08-13 13:35:38 UTC
They are extra sweet for solo pvp 'support'. Current of grid mechanics allow you to place them in system on a station in dock range, fleet up your solo pvp character and win win win.

I once knew this Leto Thule guy. He claimed to be leet solo pvp. I found out he fleets with his mom and she does dirty dirty things for him.
Zuteh
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#130 - 2014-08-21 09:28:32 UTC
Danny John-Peter wrote:
I use my Damnation and Eos plenty.


I found the Eos to be quite fun as well but feel like an oddball for flying it heh. Wish we had CS sized Drone Control Units with added bandwidth and drones that'd make it interesting.
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#131 - 2014-08-21 10:23:54 UTC
Zuteh wrote:
Danny John-Peter wrote:
I use my Damnation and Eos plenty.


I found the Eos to be quite fun as well but feel like an oddball for flying it heh. Wish we had CS sized Drone Control Units with added bandwidth and drones that'd make it interesting.

And how, pray tell, does one balance such a thing?

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp

Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#132 - 2014-08-21 10:55:37 UTC
James Baboli wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Danny John-Peter wrote:
I use my Damnation and Eos plenty.



The fact that someone does something does not make that something good or that usage a smart decision.

The fact that it is possible to get a command ship which is intended purely for boosting fast enough to keep up with cruisers for a minimal investment must escape you. If you are purely using them for boosts, they can be almost as fast as frigates.



They are still worse than the alternative of t3... that makes them nearly useless. It does not matter if somethign is not VEYR bad, as long as there is an alternative that is better and require far less character investment... that is the result.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#133 - 2014-08-21 10:56:46 UTC
Danny John-Peter wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Danny John-Peter wrote:
I use my Damnation and Eos plenty.



The fact that someone does something does not make that something good or that usage a smart decision.


Well if you are providing links for a heavy tanking doctrine the extra bonus that CS provide is very useful, particularly when supporting gangs of equal or larger ship class such as other CS or BS fleets.



POint is not if links are useful. They are , they are mandatory almost. But T3 are the ships of choice to provide links because of superior mobility.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#134 - 2014-08-21 11:07:21 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
James Baboli wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Danny John-Peter wrote:
I use my Damnation and Eos plenty.



The fact that someone does something does not make that something good or that usage a smart decision.

The fact that it is possible to get a command ship which is intended purely for boosting fast enough to keep up with cruisers for a minimal investment must escape you. If you are purely using them for boosts, they can be almost as fast as frigates.



They are still worse than the alternative of t3... that makes them nearly useless. It does not matter if somethign is not VEYR bad, as long as there is an alternative that is better and require far less character investment... that is the result.


T3s are only better if you operate in an area where no one tries to kill your T3. Else, drop combats, get 4 free DG coprocs.
Experiment 32423
Doomheim
#135 - 2014-08-22 12:36:15 UTC
CSes are a beautiful alternative to T3s in the right situations, without SP loss. With a decent fit, you can get some rather amazing numbers out of them, even in full T2.