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Most efficient orca ganking crew for 0.5
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Noragli
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-07-25 14:21:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Noragli
What's the most efficient way to suicide gank an Orca in 0.5? I know around 20 catalysts would be the cheapest but I mean with less people.

Assuming the orca has a damage control fitted, which ship type would be best? Tier 3 battlecruisers perhaps? And how many would be required?
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#2 - 2014-07-25 14:27:13 UTC
awox it.
you need 2 characters.
they only need to be able to survive its drones.
put one character on each side of the gate.
kill off all his drones as he deploys them.
ping pong him until it pops.
Noragli
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-07-25 14:28:21 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
awox it.
you need 2 characters.
they only need to be able to survive its drones.
put one character on each side of the gate.
kill off all his drones as he deploys them.
ping pong him until it pops.


Awox means getting into his corp? I mean ships required to suicide gank it.
Lord LazyGhost
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-07-25 14:30:24 UTC
Noragli wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
awox it.
you need 2 characters.
they only need to be able to survive its drones.
put one character on each side of the gate.
kill off all his drones as he deploys them.
ping pong him until it pops.


Awox means getting into his corp? I mean ships required to suicide gank it.


Catalyst. Mate lots of them.
Noragli
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-07-25 14:31:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Noragli
Lord LazyGhost wrote:
Noragli wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
awox it.
you need 2 characters.
they only need to be able to survive its drones.
put one character on each side of the gate.
kill off all his drones as he deploys them.
ping pong him until it pops.


Awox means getting into his corp? I mean ships required to suicide gank it.


Catalyst. Mate lots of them.


Let's say we only have 6 pilots, can it be done with T3 battlecruisers and large guns? In 0.5 sec
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#6 - 2014-07-25 14:40:40 UTC
depends a lot on the skills of the pilots.

there is a huge difference between BC trained to lvl 1 and 30k SP in gunnery and BC to lvl 5 and 12 million SP in gunnery

You have 6 guys w/ tier 3 bc:
fit them out for max damage w/ meta 4
try it

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Machiavellian Space Bastards
#7 - 2014-07-25 15:50:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Noragli wrote:
Lord LazyGhost wrote:
Noragli wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
awox it.
you need 2 characters.
they only need to be able to survive its drones.
put one character on each side of the gate.
kill off all his drones as he deploys them.
ping pong him until it pops.


Awox means getting into his corp? I mean ships required to suicide gank it.


Catalyst. Mate lots of them.


Let's say we only have 6 pilots, can it be done with T3 battlecruisers and large guns? In 0.5 sec
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Paranoid Loyd
#8 - 2014-07-25 16:05:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Interesting, makes a threadnaught arguing that ganking is too easy, then makes a thread showing he can't even calculate how to gank an Orca. Roll

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Noragli
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-07-25 16:51:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Noragli
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Interesting, makes a threadnaught arguing that ganking is too easy, then makes a thread showing he can't even calculate how to gank an Orca. Roll


Oh I can calculate it. But my experience is with catalysts and I'm not part of a massive gank alliance like CODE and don't have those numbers of pilots available to me. I don't know the DPS numbers on T3 BC like Talos. I need specific numbers or the gank can fail.
Paranoid Loyd
#10 - 2014-07-25 16:57:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Noragli wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Interesting, makes a threadnaught arguing that ganking is too easy, then makes a thread showing he can't even calculate how to gank an Orca. Roll


Oh I can calculate it. But my experience is with catalysts and I'm not part of a massive gank alliance like CODE and don't have those numbers of pilots available to me. I don't know the DPS numbers on T3 BC like Talos. I need specific numbers or the gank can fail.


Have you heard of PYFA or EFT?

No one can just give you numbers, you have to figure them out yourself and understand that they are just theorectical, the RNG is a variable you can only account for by bringing extra DPS. How can we possibly know the fit the Orca is using, the fit you plan on using or the skills of the 6 characters to be used for the gank?

Not so easy is it?

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Noragli
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-07-25 16:59:37 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Noragli wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Interesting, makes a threadnaught arguing that ganking is too easy, then makes a thread showing he can't even calculate how to gank an Orca. Roll


Oh I can calculate it. But my experience is with catalysts and I'm not part of a massive gank alliance like CODE and don't have those numbers of pilots available to me. I don't know the DPS numbers on T3 BC like Talos. I need specific numbers or the gank can fail.


Have you heard of PYFA or EFT?

No one can just give you numbers, you have to figure them out yourself, how can we possibly know the fit the Orca is using, the fit you plan on using or the skills of the 6 characters to be used for the gank.

Not so easy is it?


Yes actually it is easy. I just need to know the MAX dps numbers on some of the popular dps ships such as Talos or other blaster boats, then I can easily figure it out.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-07-25 17:02:05 UTC
Most people use Bhaalgorns for suicide ganking orcas. A fleet of 15 should suffice.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#13 - 2014-07-25 17:07:45 UTC
Noragli wrote:
Yes actually it is easy. I just need to know the MAX dps numbers on some of the popular dps ships such as Talos or other blaster boats, then I can easily figure it out.
Then do some theory crafting like the rest of us have to, we're not going to do your research for you. Grab some fits from killboards and go to town in EFT, Pyfa or EveHQ

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Paranoid Loyd
#14 - 2014-07-25 17:13:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Noragli wrote:
Yes actually it is easy. I just need to know the MAX dps numbers on some of the popular dps ships such as Talos or other blaster boats, then I can easily figure it out.


Figuring out max DPS will not tell you what you want to know. A limited and variable time frame for performing makes DPS an arbitrary number.

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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#15 - 2014-07-25 17:51:19 UTC
Do the math. Throw together some fits, apply the appropriate pilots skills, and see how much damage those fits can put out in ~20 seconds. If it's enough to take down an Orca (plus a bit to spare), then you can do it. Otherwise, you'll need to find alternatives. I hate to say it, but if you're here asking, then chances are you'll need alternatives (or more pilots).

Have you considered trying to get them suspect flagged, or suspect flagging yourself (or one your pilots) in their vicinity so they aggress you? You'd be surprised by how many pilots won't hesitate to pop a flashy T1 frigate or hauler with drones, not realizing that the aggressed pilot can dock up and immediately come at them with a much nastier ship.

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The Conference Elite
The Conference
#16 - 2014-07-25 17:54:44 UTC
Just safety to red and pull that trigger bra. No need to math, ganking is easy and has zero consequences. I mean everyone can gank defenseless targets in Highsec, lulz.

Evil RatKid
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#17 - 2014-07-25 18:39:45 UTC
Don't forget to account for the gate guns.

If you're in amarr a minimal em/therm tank may get you that 3rd shot in a tornado (which is significant)
Staten Island
Diversity 101
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#18 - 2014-07-25 20:00:23 UTC
Noragli wrote:
What's the most efficient way to suicide gank an Orca in 0.5? I know around 20 catalysts would be the cheapest but I mean with less people.

Assuming the orca has a damage control fitted, which ship type would be best? Tier 3 battlecruisers perhaps? And how many would be required?


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Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#19 - 2014-07-25 21:00:47 UTC
Talos can frontload a lot of DPS and can bring it down with fewer people, but most tanked orcas have so much EHP you need more people to bring them down, yes 20 cattys will do it but there are other options:

Talos gang
Brutix gang
Oracle gang
Etc.

In other words no matter how you cut it your going to need quite a few people, awoxing is the solution to that when you dont have access to those kinds of numbers

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Amarr Empire
#20 - 2014-07-28 17:00:49 UTC
Noragli wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Noragli wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Interesting, makes a threadnaught arguing that ganking is too easy, then makes a thread showing he can't even calculate how to gank an Orca. Roll


Oh I can calculate it. But my experience is with catalysts and I'm not part of a massive gank alliance like CODE and don't have those numbers of pilots available to me. I don't know the DPS numbers on T3 BC like Talos. I need specific numbers or the gank can fail.


Have you heard of PYFA or EFT?

No one can just give you numbers, you have to figure them out yourself, how can we possibly know the fit the Orca is using, the fit you plan on using or the skills of the 6 characters to be used for the gank.

Not so easy is it?


Yes actually it is easy. I just need to know the MAX dps numbers on some of the popular dps ships such as Talos or other blaster boats, then I can easily figure it out.

you do it

i'll give you one number, because i'm nice. eighteen seconds.
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