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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#101 - 2014-07-30 22:00:45 UTC
erg cz wrote:
Ladistier has not been flipped in 2014 - yet
Fixed.
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#102 - 2014-07-30 23:39:44 UTC
[ 2014.07.08 21:35:01 ] sarhamen > okkamon belongs to us :P
[ 2014.07.08 21:35:12 ] sarhamen > and will remain ours



If by yours you meant ours, you were correct.

JUSTK is recruiting
Subsparx
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#103 - 2014-07-31 00:02:54 UTC
This reminds me of a certain event where Khan said he was going to be sitting in Nenn by a certain date then joined Gal Mil shortly after, except Elysian are neutrals now and the system remains where they base. You jinxed the system sarhamen.

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Silverbackyererse
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#104 - 2014-07-31 09:19:41 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Those systems are a vibrant area of blob free pew. They are also home to the bitterest caldari corps alive today. The long and short of it, we can take them back when Perunga decides we should - probably sometime after the new GPS ankle bracelets are fitted. Unfortunately, there are several non FW station systems 1 jump out of each of them where the caldari corps retire to, activate alts in a higher tier militia, get even more space rich and then retake the systems again when they want them back.

Since we lack any capable corps that are able to hold the systems even though they are so close to Villore and Dodixie, we just let them grow ridiculously comfortable there, camping the Villore/ OMS and OMS/Heyd gates, murdering our new bros, forcing them to leave FW.



<3
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#105 - 2014-07-31 10:53:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
I have personally killed nearly twice as many ships for 4 times the isk value than the entire caldari corp that lives in ladistier this month. And thats with flying 50%+ logi duting okkamon and decent chunk of huola.

So much for vibrant.

If all they want to do is stay docked or chase solo farmers with micro gangs, all the best to them. Unfortunately, there is a lot more to do in other parts of the battlefield.

Also, why the alt farmer comment? TBPH, i would be surprised if many of those people down there ever need to earn another isk. On account of barely ever undocking :)
Silverbackyererse
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#106 - 2014-07-31 11:00:33 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
I have personally killed nearly twice as many ships for 4 times the isk value than the entire caldari corp that lives in ladistier this month. And thats with flying 50%+ logi duting okkamon and decent chunk of huola.

So much for vibrant.

If all they want to do is stay docked or chase solo farmers with micro gangs, all the best to them. Unfortunately, there is a lot more to do in other parts of the battlefield.

Also, why the alt farmer comment? TBPH, i would be surprised if many of those people down there ever need to earn another isk. On account of barely ever undocking :)



You're a legend in your own lunchbox Crosi. Still <3 you though.
Don't take things so personally and serious dude - try to remember it's a game, not a lifestyle. ;)
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#107 - 2014-07-31 11:04:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Silverbackyererse wrote:


You're a legend in your own lunchbox Crosi. Still <3 you though.
Don't take things so personally and serious dude - try to remember it's a game, not a lifestyle. ;)


That advice would be better aimed at one of your old alliance mates :) (or a couple of them)
greg01
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#108 - 2014-07-31 11:12:41 UTC
Calm down Crosi, calm down dear!

Just chill out man. Get an alt into every militia and everyone's a winner. Let the isk flow.....
Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#109 - 2014-07-31 11:13:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Epikurus
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
I have personally killed nearly twice as many ships for 4 times the isk value than the entire caldari corp that lives in ladistier this month. And thats with flying 50%+ logi duting okkamon and decent chunk of huola.

So much for vibrant.



You have 'personally killed' 20 ships for a value of 393mil in the last month.

Not knocking your obviously good record but claiming to have 'personally killed' every ship that you appear on the KM for is a bit meh.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#110 - 2014-07-31 11:21:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Epikurus wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
I have personally killed nearly twice as many ships for 4 times the isk value than the entire caldari corp that lives in ladistier this month. And thats with flying 50%+ logi duting okkamon and decent chunk of huola.

So much for vibrant.



You have 'personally killed' 20 ships for a value of 393mil in the last month.

Not knocking your obviously good record but claiming to have 'personally killed' every ship that you appear on the KM for is a bit meh.


I see what you are saying, but not even close to correct. I was going by top line numbers for me and them so its a fair comparison. Going for the semantic angle really is the final recourse in any conversation.

Also, eve-kill shows 31 solo kills, which doesnt include no doubt dozens of kills where the rat also got on the mail.

Dont quit the day job epi :)
greg01
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#111 - 2014-07-31 11:23:16 UTC
Crosi Weaseldo is good at the gallente Propaganda. Just saying..................
Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#112 - 2014-07-31 11:28:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Epikurus
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


I see what you are saying, but not even close to correct. I was going by top line numbers for me and them so its a fair comparison. Going for the semantic angle really is the final recourse in any conversation.

Also, eve-kill shows 31 solo kills, which doesnt include no doubt dozens of kills where the rat also got on the mail.

Dont quit the day job epi :)


Comparing corp and individual top line numbers is not a fair comparison at all and I'm pretty sure you know it. If you want a fair comparison on those grounds you will need to sum the numbers for the individuals in the corp. (edit - which corp is it?)

Not semantics, just reasonable analysis of the data. Which, by the way, is a big part of my day job Blink
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#113 - 2014-07-31 11:34:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Epikurus wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


I see what you are saying, but not even close to correct. I was going by top line numbers for me and them so its a fair comparison. Going for the semantic angle really is the final recourse in any conversation.

Also, eve-kill shows 31 solo kills, which doesnt include no doubt dozens of kills where the rat also got on the mail.

Dont quit the day job epi :)


Comparing corp and individual top line numbers is not a fair comparison at all and I'm pretty sure you know it. If you want a fair comparison on those grounds you will need to sum the numbers for the individuals in the corp. (edit - which corp is it?)

Not semantics, just reasonable analysis of the data. Which, by the way, is a big part of my day job Blink


You arnt very proficient at it then, If you like i will compare my corp top line to theirs. Same difference.

I think the misunderstanding here is you think im pointing at glowing efficiency and awesome kills to show im better than other people. Not at all, im pointing at top line numbers to easily describe activity levels. The fact that my single toon gets more activity than the most experienced caldari FW corp is the entire point of my comparison (to show that beyond gate camps and station games its pretty dead in that area).

So in conclusion, your stats were wrong, and your interpretation would be based on an accounting fraud of counting single kills multiple times.
greg01
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#114 - 2014-07-31 11:41:36 UTC
I think it's your ego Weaseldo that is Number One here..............
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#115 - 2014-07-31 11:44:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
greg01 wrote:
I think it's your ego Weaseldo that is Number One here..............


Nah, he thinks its my ego. Im just saying its pretty dead down in the OMS area. Well, if you ignore the sac guard gangs and UCF zergs.

We cant expect any gallente to move in since we dont have any roleplay corps that simply want to defend an NPC that exists only in a 'show info' window lol.

EDIT - didnt realise irritable bowel syndrome were back in cal mil. I wasnt talking about your corp when i said most experienced btw ;)
Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#116 - 2014-07-31 12:02:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Epikurus
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


If you like i will compare my corp top line to theirs. Same difference.



You sought to inflate the difference by comparing their entire corp's activities to 'little ol' me', when comparing killboards stats for an individual and a corp with more than one member is statistically pointless. So, we now move on to comparing your corp to theirs in an attempt to justify your initial analysis. But, of course, your corp is not comparable since it only has one active member. Comparing apples and oranges is rarely fruitful Smile

Quote:

I think the misunderstanding here is you think im pointing at glowing efficiency and awesome kills to show im better than other people. Not at all, im pointing at top line numbers to easily describe activity levels. The fact that my single toon gets more activity than the most experienced caldari FW corp is the entire point of my comparison (to show that beyond gate camps and station games its pretty dead in that area).


You are just perpetuating your fallacious reasoning here. Your single toon does not get more activity than their entire corp just because it gets on more killmails, unless 'activity' is defined in a particularly thin manner which would then undermine the point of the comparison between you and them. All a comparison of the two numbers shows is that you made at least some contribution to more kills than they did but this provides no context for judging any kind of rich sense of 'activity' as it ignores the type of kills in which both parties were involved and the level of contribution they made to those kills.

Crosi Wesdo wrote:


So in conclusion, your stats were wrong, and your interpretation would be based on an accounting fraud of counting single kills multiple times.


No more an accounting fraud than counting a whole unit as 'personally' killed when you are one of 20 people on the mail and did 4% damage (numbers pulled from the air). If you are not willing to sum the kills of individuals then you must divide your own kills at least by the numbers of individuals involved.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#117 - 2014-07-31 12:13:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Epikurus wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


If you like i will compare my corp top line to theirs. Same difference.



You sought to inflate the difference by comparing their entire corp's activities to 'little ol' me', when comparing killboards stats for an individual and a corp with more than one member is statistically pointless. So, we now move on to comparing your corp to theirs in an attempt to justify your initial analysis. But, of course, your corp is not comparable since it only has one active member. Comparing apples and oranges is rarely fruitful Smile

Quote:

I think the misunderstanding here is you think im pointing at glowing efficiency and awesome kills to show im better than other people. Not at all, im pointing at top line numbers to easily describe activity levels. The fact that my single toon gets more activity than the most experienced caldari FW corp is the entire point of my comparison (to show that beyond gate camps and station games its pretty dead in that area).


You are just perpetuating your fallacious reasoning here. Your single toon does not get more activity than their entire corp just because it gets on more killmails, unless 'activity' is defined in a particularly thin manner which would then undermine the point of the comparison between you and them. All a comparison of the two numbers shows is that you made at least some contribution to more kills than they did but this provides no context for judging any kind of rich sense of 'activity' as it ignores the type of kills in which both parties were involved and the level of contribution they made to those kills.


Pretty sure you just contradicted yourself. Activity levels has and always will be easily gauged by kill board stats. I didnt say i solo more than them afterall. I just said their area of space is boring.

It was clearly a mistake using the word 'personally'. Had i realised that would drag me into a semantic argument i would have made a better choice.

Killboards provide a perfect illustration of boring areas of eve.

If you want to imply that i was trying to draw some other conclusion that perhaps isnt best supported by overall killboard activity then go ahead.
Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#118 - 2014-07-31 12:17:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Epikurus
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


Activity levels has and always will be easily gauged by kill board stats.


Killboards are, and always have been, extremely crude instruments for measuring activity. When a crude instrument is combined with an inappropriate comparison the data that comes out has little to no value.


Crosi Wesdo wrote:

Pretty sure you just contradicted yourself.


Where?
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#119 - 2014-07-31 12:21:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Epikurus wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


Activity levels has and always will be easily gauged by kill board stats.


Killboards are, and always have been, extremely crude instruments for measuring activity. When a crude instrument is combined with an inappropriate comparison the data that comes out has little to no value.


Agreed, killboards do not show mining activities or industrial work etc.

Not sure thats the kind of activity i was talking about.

However, if one person is involved with more kills than an entire corp, it is absolutely fair to say that the one person operates in places that have higher levels of activity than the corp. The individuals contribution to that activity is a different matter entirely.

You are simply conflating activity and contribution.

Sure there are other factors, like the one person could spend more hours online than an entire corp, but since that statistic is unobtainable it is taken into consideration but ultimately ignored.
Silverbackyererse
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#120 - 2014-07-31 12:56:57 UTC