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Terrible Tory Tells Gold-Thieves To Toss Off
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Belt Scout
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#61 - 2014-07-25 22:10:44 UTC
Sounds to me like a stupid law like that would be the starting point to taxation.

"Hey, we protected your pixels, so they must be worth something. Here's a new 'vitual' property tax you can pay for said pixels."

(At least thats how our gov here in the US would pull it off.)

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They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.

**This IS my main so STFU.
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#62 - 2014-07-25 22:47:45 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Victoria Sin wrote:
He's talking about hacking, account theft, that kind of thing. I'm fine with that being a criminal offence. Kind-of surprised it isn't already.


Yeah but he specifically mentions in-game scamming too


Well then it gets a bit ambiguous. For example if you bought the item/s with real cash then yes, that's real theft. Not something I would do or have ever done in a game. Still wouldn't count for Eve though I don't think, because you buy PLEX or game time with cash, not actual game items.

The only problem I see here are clever lawyers at the ECHR. Regardless it's interesting to note just how far behind the times our legal systems are. They're only just catching up with the invention of the internet.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2014-07-25 23:05:42 UTC
Victoria Sin wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Victoria Sin wrote:
He's talking about hacking, account theft, that kind of thing. I'm fine with that being a criminal offence. Kind-of surprised it isn't already.


Yeah but he specifically mentions in-game scamming too


Well then it gets a bit ambiguous. For example if you bought the item/s with real cash then yes, that's real theft. Not something I would do or have ever done in a game. Still wouldn't count for Eve though I don't think, because you buy PLEX or game time with cash, not actual game items.

The only problem I see here are clever lawyers at the ECHR. Regardless it's interesting to note just how far behind the times our legal systems are. They're only just catching up with the invention of the internet.



The opinion of gamers and game devs is irrelevant its what courts decide that matters.

1. There is european case law to establish that in game assets are items of value that can be stolen. Establishing dollar value is tricky, the court is likely to calculate the value on the basis of the time taken in game for the victim to acquire the assets.

2. There have already been convictions for theft of ingame assets through real life extortion in seveal jurisdiction. The "real life extortion" could only be prosecuted if the ingame assets had value in law.

3. Numerous courts including some US have ruled that EULAs are only relevant in contract law in disputes between aggrieved parties. Crimninal courts are free to (and do regularly) ignore what a EULA says,

4. If the political executive of a country make legislature that changes the status of online assets and makes acts regarding them illegal then all the courts can do is "interpret" that unless its challenged on some sort of constitutional or bill of rights grounds.