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[UNITY] We The Defiant

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Chronoxi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#81 - 2014-07-26 14:52:08 UTC
Karynn Denton wrote:
Ava Starfire wrote:
Do people actually see us as "noble savages"?


Just lazy stereotyping; I'm not noble.


You're definitely a savage though, at least half of that 'stereotype' is true. All that are not of Amarrian origin are savages. But the Caldari people showed to be capable of honor and dignity, which the Gallenteans and Matar heathens do not possess.

weeeeEEEEEEEEEE are never ever ever!

Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#82 - 2014-07-26 14:54:51 UTC
Chronoxi wrote:
Karynn Denton wrote:
Ava Starfire wrote:
Do people actually see us as "noble savages"?


Just lazy stereotyping; I'm not noble.


You're definitely a savage though, at least half of that 'stereotype' is true. All that are not of Amarrian origin are savages. But the Caldari people showed to be capable of honor and dignity, which the Gallenteans and Matar heathens do not possess.


So I am not a savage then.

Good.

Now come clean my shoes.

“Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.” 

― C.S. Lewis 

Ber Kan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#83 - 2014-07-26 15:00:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Ber Kan
Vincent Pryce wrote:
Ber Kan wrote:
I'm going to throw this out there. Guristas support the minmatar in the current struggle or...lack of current struggle of specific minmatar systems.

For Huola? I was there. And i can say. Was glad to fight for the Republic, than let it fall to supposed self-proclaiming Amarrian overlords. Or over bearing caldari militia members.


The Guristas fight for no one but for themselves. Just because one misguided pilot is pretending to play a little dashing rogue fighting for the noble savages doesn't make the Faction give two ***** about them beyond exploitation. There is no honor among the Guristas. Just cutthroat, backstabbing backroom deals. You'd know this if you'd actually been to the inner circle.

Before you go on a deluded rant about how Guristas are somehow just misunderstood rogues looking out for the little guy, I recommend you do some research on who you are really supporting, and before you play the "at least we're not slavers", please, go and do some research about the business transactions between the Nation and the Guristas.

You should not presume to speak for Kosakami about his organization and about who they support, he doesn't like that. In fact, he despises capsuleers.

I will give you one more friendly advice. Watch your back among the Guristas. Always.



Ok, you caught me. I lied about some things. I did bank upkn the whole incident. And i did enjoy watching things play out. It was fun. However, to state that im saying that 'oh we're not slavers and will fight with the "loosing" side.' Key note. Did the huola system ever go past 50% upon the registered warfare ljnks? Not from what i am aware. And if im right...didn't the minmatar technically win that skirmish over all? With ragtag pirates. And under-manned minmtar fleets?

Quite possible.

Now lets go to the oter part. Of you know, Kosakami's grudge agajnst the capsuleer blight. Something that even he as a pilot and tactition knows, 'if you have the ability to manipulate the one thing that makes a certain man to become a whimpering and begfing dog. Do it.' What is that thjng? For me...that would be the gila and rattlesnake ship. Ill gladly purchase it from them without question. Even if its over priced.

But let us get back on track and say use capsuleers, because yoh make the guristas out to be worse than them. Because New Eden s changing. And from the past dscade has shown alone, is that with just even a few to one capsuleer you can tip the balance in a struggling fight. Or tip the war into crushing victory.

In sme cases. As is apparent now for those hired. It's makjng not just the State's lives harder, or any other empire. But other pirate factions lives more difficut. Mostly now mking the Mordu stop their apparent shinanegans with interrupting in change. Making them stop in what Koskami had set up. And because, like you sid, we're cutthroats.

By the way, i was always more of a fan of Jirai.

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Chronoxi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#84 - 2014-07-26 15:06:57 UTC
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Chronoxi wrote:
Karynn Denton wrote:
Ava Starfire wrote:
Do people actually see us as "noble savages"?


Just lazy stereotyping; I'm not noble.


You're definitely a savage though, at least half of that 'stereotype' is true. All that are not of Amarrian origin are savages. But the Caldari people showed to be capable of honor and dignity, which the Gallenteans and Matar heathens do not possess.


So I am not a savage then.

Good.

Now come clean my shoes.


You are a savage. You are not Amarr.

weeeeEEEEEEEEEE are never ever ever!

Vincent Pryce
Damnation Angels
Watch This
#85 - 2014-07-26 15:09:00 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
Do people actually see us as "noble savages"?


Merely a turn of phrase some are fond of. I perceive the Matari in no particular romanticized light. Some are my fellow Angels, some are trade partners in good standing from the Thukker Tribe and some are mere commodities and resources. They are no different from anyone else, race is irrelevant.

"From your Curse we made Heaven for ourselves."

Domination Seraphim

Cartel approved, Heaven blessed

Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#86 - 2014-07-26 15:15:38 UTC
Chronoxi wrote:
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Chronoxi wrote:
Karynn Denton wrote:
Ava Starfire wrote:
Do people actually see us as "noble savages"?


Just lazy stereotyping; I'm not noble.


You're definitely a savage though, at least half of that 'stereotype' is true. All that are not of Amarrian origin are savages. But the Caldari people showed to be capable of honor and dignity, which the Gallenteans and Matar heathens do not possess.


So I am not a savage then.

Good.

Now come clean my shoes.


You are a savage. You are not Amarr.


Ah, but I am, my good man. My father was Amarrian, ethnically... of course, he was also a drunk, ne'er-do-'ell, and general all around scumbag, but I'm sure because he was Amarrian at all, he's "chosen" and all that.

That must include his daughter, mm? Or are all those half-Matari children running about in the Empire - oh, come now, don't pretend it doesn't happen - are we all just "not good enough"?

In which case... what is the point of slavery again?

“Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.” 

― C.S. Lewis 

Chronoxi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#87 - 2014-07-26 15:25:21 UTC
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:


Ah, but I am, my good man. My father was Amarrian, ethnically... of course, he was also a drunk, ne'er-do-'ell, and general all around scumbag, but I'm sure because he was Amarrian at all, he's "chosen" and all that.

That must include his daughter, mm? Or are all those half-Matari children running about in the Empire - oh, come now, don't pretend it doesn't happen - are we all just "not good enough"?

In which case... what is the point of slavery again?


What does it matter who your father was? You are not Amarrian, you are not of faith and therefore a savage heathen that must be destroyed if not enslaved.

Also, I said 'All that are not of Amarrian origin are savages', I did not say 'All Amarrian are not savages'. Blooders originated from damned and impure Amarrian souls, those that are not chosen by god, their heresy is almost beyond savagery.

weeeeEEEEEEEEEE are never ever ever!

Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#88 - 2014-07-26 15:28:17 UTC
Chronoxi wrote:
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:


Ah, but I am, my good man. My father was Amarrian, ethnically... of course, he was also a drunk, ne'er-do-'ell, and general all around scumbag, but I'm sure because he was Amarrian at all, he's "chosen" and all that.

That must include his daughter, mm? Or are all those half-Matari children running about in the Empire - oh, come now, don't pretend it doesn't happen - are we all just "not good enough"?

In which case... what is the point of slavery again?


What does it matter who your father was? You are not Amarrian, you are not of faith and therefore a savage heathen that must be destroyed if not enslaved.

Also, I said 'All that are not of Amarrian origin are savages', I did not say 'All Amarrian are not savages'. Blooders originated from damned and impure Amarrian souls, those that are not chosen by god, their heresy is almost beyond savagery.


You are a terribly boring man.

“Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.” 

― C.S. Lewis 

Vincent Pryce
Damnation Angels
Watch This
#89 - 2014-07-26 15:38:01 UTC
Ber Kan wrote:
Vincent Pryce wrote:
Ber Kan wrote:
I'm going to throw this out there. Guristas support the minmatar in the current struggle or...lack of current struggle of specific minmatar systems.

For Huola? I was there. And i can say. Was glad to fight for the Republic, than let it fall to supposed self-proclaiming Amarrian overlords. Or over bearing caldari militia members.


The Guristas fight for no one but for themselves. Just because one misguided pilot is pretending to play a little dashing rogue fighting for the noble savages doesn't make the Faction give two ***** about them beyond exploitation. There is no honor among the Guristas. Just cutthroat, backstabbing backroom deals. You'd know this if you'd actually been to the inner circle.

Before you go on a deluded rant about how Guristas are somehow just misunderstood rogues looking out for the little guy, I recommend you do some research on who you are really supporting, and before you play the "at least we're not slavers", please, go and do some research about the business transactions between the Nation and the Guristas.

You should not presume to speak for Kosakami about his organization and about who they support, he doesn't like that. In fact, he despises capsuleers.

I will give you one more friendly advice. Watch your back among the Guristas. Always.



Ok, you caught me. I lied about some things. I did bank upkn the whole incident. And i did enjoy watching things play out. It was fun. However, to state that im saying that 'oh we're not slavers and will fight with the "loosing" side.' Key note. Did the huola system ever go past 50% upon the registered warfare ljnks? Not from what i am aware. And if im right...didn't the minmatar technically win that skirmish over all? With ragtag pirates. And under-manned minmtar fleets?

Quite possible.

Now lets go to the oter part. Of you know, Kosakami's grudge agajnst the capsuleer blight. Something that even he as a pilot and tactition knows, 'if you have the ability to manipulate the one thing that makes a certain man to become a whimpering and begfing dog. Do it.' What is that thjng? For me...that would be the gila and rattlesnake ship. Ill gladly purchase it from them without question. Even if its over priced.

But let us get back on track and say use capsuleers, because yoh make the guristas out to be worse than them. Because New Eden s changing. And from the past dscade has shown alone, is that with just even a few to one capsuleer you can tip the balance in a struggling fight. Or tip the war into crushing victory.

In sme cases. As is apparent now for those hired. It's makjng not just the State's lives harder, or any other empire. But other pirate factions lives more difficut. Mostly now mking the Mordu stop their apparent shinanegans with interrupting in change. Making them stop in what Koskami had set up. And because, like you sid, we're cutthroats.

By the way, i was always more of a fan of Jirai.


I... How about you try this again when you are off your mindflood binge? You are making no sense, and you can barely spell.

PS. I too liked Laitanen better, but thanks to capsuleers he is nothing more than a mewling gimp drooling his life away these days.

"From your Curse we made Heaven for ourselves."

Domination Seraphim

Cartel approved, Heaven blessed

Ber Kan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#90 - 2014-07-26 15:44:12 UTC
Nah. Rather not. I enjoy talking with you. Maybe we can get to know eachother more, and see who the real pirate is.

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Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#91 - 2014-07-26 16:06:35 UTC
Ber Kan wrote:
Nah. Rather not. I enjoy talking with you. Maybe we can get to know eachother more, and see who the real pirate is.


The drug dealing one in the pirate organization would be my guess.

“Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.” 

― C.S. Lewis 

Vincent Pryce
Damnation Angels
Watch This
#92 - 2014-07-26 16:16:19 UTC
Ber Kan wrote:
Nah. Rather not. I enjoy talking with you. Maybe we can get to know eachother more, and see who the real pirate is.


Real pirates do not have to proclaim themselves as such, others do it for them.

Besides, I'd rather not associate myself with someone whom pertains your... questionable appetites.

"From your Curse we made Heaven for ourselves."

Domination Seraphim

Cartel approved, Heaven blessed

Chronoxi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#93 - 2014-07-26 16:38:22 UTC
I too would think that real pirates would actually like to be not identified as a pirate... Unless you are a pirate wannabe gallentean boy.

weeeeEEEEEEEEEE are never ever ever!

Ber Kan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#94 - 2014-07-26 20:21:43 UTC
Vincent Pryce wrote:
Ber Kan wrote:
Nah. Rather not. I enjoy talking with you. Maybe we can get to know eachother more, and see who the real pirate is.


Real pirates do not have to proclaim themselves as such, others do it for them.

Besides, I'd rather not associate myself with someone whom pertains your... questionable appetites.



Heh. I can say the same back.

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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#95 - 2014-07-26 22:39:36 UTC
*popcorn*

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Vincent Pryce
Damnation Angels
Watch This
#96 - 2014-07-26 23:02:07 UTC
Ber Kan wrote:
Vincent Pryce wrote:
Ber Kan wrote:
Nah. Rather not. I enjoy talking with you. Maybe we can get to know eachother more, and see who the real pirate is.


Real pirates do not have to proclaim themselves as such, others do it for them.

Besides, I'd rather not associate myself with someone whom pertains your... questionable appetites.



Heh. I can say the same back.


Based on the level of your wit and the quality of your masterful retort, no, you really can't. I'll leave it at that.

"From your Curse we made Heaven for ourselves."

Domination Seraphim

Cartel approved, Heaven blessed

Astraeos Khan
LIC Diversified Defense
DammFam
#97 - 2014-07-27 01:34:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Astraeos Khan
Chronoxi wrote:
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:


Ah, but I am, my good man. My father was Amarrian, ethnically... of course, he was also a drunk, ne'er-do-'ell, and general all around scumbag, but I'm sure because he was Amarrian at all, he's "chosen" and all that.

That must include his daughter, mm? Or are all those half-Matari children running about in the Empire - oh, come now, don't pretend it doesn't happen - are we all just "not good enough"?

In which case... what is the point of slavery again?


What does it matter who your father was? You are not Amarrian, you are not of faith and therefore a savage heathen that must be destroyed if not enslaved.

Also, I said 'All that are not of Amarrian origin are savages', I did not say 'All Amarrian are not savages'. Blooders originated from damned and impure Amarrian souls, those that are not chosen by god, their heresy is almost beyond savagery.



Let's cool our toungs, this constant bickering. Is not getting us any where, if want to defend your rightful land. Do so, if not your people in that system are doomed. Let it be said my ikwa is crying for blood.

"We have struggled through pain and grief; we have faced our torments with unbowed heads; we have lived as men. And in the end, what counts is not the years in our lives, but the unyielding life in our years." - Inscription from a stone in the Remembering

Kale Silence
Doomheim
#98 - 2014-07-27 02:06:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Kale Silence
Chronoxi wrote:
Everything I've ever said about how all non-amarr are evil savages.


Your point of view is very limited and honestly quite flawed. I've seen people of every race be savages, as well as be kind hearted and caring. Looks to me it has more to do with individual choices rather than some "divine intervention".

Here's a question for you:

If you want to keep people from associating that Nauplius guy with the amarr, don't you think you should... I dunno, talk differently?

If I didn't know better, I could have sworn that Nauplius guy was the one speaking nearly everything you're saying.

Who knew being an upright and pious person meant being a callous and racist bastard?

That is so weird.
Anslo
Scope Works
#99 - 2014-07-27 08:18:13 UTC
A lot of **** talk from people I never saw in space. If you got a problem with me, come do something. Or are you all too high and mighty to act? Good luck to U'K in their efforts. To the rest of you Amarr? Stay the **** out of Huola.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#100 - 2014-07-27 08:38:30 UTC
Anslo wrote:
A lot of **** talk from people I never saw in space. If you got a problem with me, come do something. Or are you all too high and mighty to act? Good luck to U'K in their efforts. To the rest of you Amarr? Stay the **** out of Huola.

*offers popcorn*

Telling water not to be wet is kinda' pointless, ain't it?

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.