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[UNITY] We The Defiant
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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#61 - 2014-07-25 20:23:32 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
As for Caldari Prime, I more then support giving it back. Providing we don't compromise our security and safety while doing so.


And I quite understand your need to ensure that. Honestly, it used to be this huge intractable problem, but nowadays it's much harder to find people with issues about the way things are going. Makes me wonder why we're still fighting at all.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2014-07-25 20:24:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayallah
Chronoxi wrote:

You are attacking us and even those that you claim to 'save'. You are not defending anything, all you tribal heathens know are aggression and devastation, you have nothing to defend.


the event is called burn huola and is awash with reclamation propaganda and is an attack
unless what you are spouting is what fweddit is feeding the old guard militia to get them to join fleets.

wait,
have none of you seriously undocked for what ...almost two and a half years?

do you all still think it is an Amarrian system?

if your assets are trapped you can simply use black frog to get them out.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2014-07-25 20:31:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayallah
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

Yes, because theft is not ownership - a concept I'd expect a Minmatar to be sympathetic with.


watch what racism you throw around, not everyone will appreciate it.

and he was being sarcastic as you can read by his very next statement regarding the ownership of slaves.

but seriously, back the **** off with the racism.
there is enough stupid bullshit going on without throwing wood on the fire. **** like this would have me hunting you down like nauplius if I did not know you were probably just being stupid and knee-jerking to the mention of caldari prime.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
Chronoxi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2014-07-25 20:39:38 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
Chronoxi wrote:

You are attacking us and even those that you claim to 'save'. You are not defending anything, all you tribal heathens know are aggression and devastation, you have nothing to defend.


the event is called burn huola and is awash with reclamation propaganda and is an attack
unless what you are spouting is what fweddit is feeding the old guard militia to get them to join fleets.

wait,
have none of you seriously undocked for what ...almost two and a half years?

do you all still think it is an Amarrian system?

if your assets are trapped you can simply use black frog to get them out.


It is not an 'attack', Huola, as explained many times is rightfully Imperial territory. It is only now in heathen's hands due to the elder fleet invasion

weeeeEEEEEEEEEE are never ever ever!
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2014-07-25 20:43:53 UTC
Chronoxi wrote:

It is not an 'attack', Huola, as explained many times is rightfully Imperial territory. It is only now in heathen's hands due to the elder fleet invasion


then by your own logic you do not possess ownership of the people you stole because time passed.
or do you not even recognize your own double standard.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#66 - 2014-07-25 22:01:01 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

Yes, because theft is not ownership - a concept I'd expect a Minmatar to be sympathetic with.


watch what racism you throw around, not everyone will appreciate it.

and he was being sarcastic as you can read by his very next statement regarding the ownership of slaves.

but seriously, back the **** off with the racism.
there is enough stupid bullshit going on without throwing wood on the fire. **** like this would have me hunting you down like nauplius if I did not know you were probably just being stupid and knee-jerking to the mention of caldari prime.


His statement was in no way racist but referencing the history of the Minmatar people. Chill out, lady.

-Eran
Chronoxi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2014-07-25 22:02:13 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
Chronoxi wrote:

It is not an 'attack', Huola, as explained many times is rightfully Imperial territory. It is only now in heathen's hands due to the elder fleet invasion


then by your own logic you do not possess ownership of the people you stole because time passed.
or do you not even recognize your own double standard.


I've never mentioned 'time passed'? Whatever do you mean by your statement?

weeeeEEEEEEEEEE are never ever ever!
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#68 - 2014-07-25 22:17:07 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

Yes, because theft is not ownership - a concept I'd expect a Minmatar to be sympathetic with.


watch what racism you throw around, not everyone will appreciate it.

and he was being sarcastic as you can read by his very next statement regarding the ownership of slaves.

but seriously, back the **** off with the racism.
there is enough stupid bullshit going on without throwing wood on the fire. **** like this would have me hunting you down like nauplius if I did not know you were probably just being stupid and knee-jerking to the mention of caldari prime.

There was sarcasm in there?

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#69 - 2014-07-25 22:19:37 UTC
Chronoxi wrote:
Ayallah wrote:
Chronoxi wrote:

It is not an 'attack', Huola, as explained many times is rightfully Imperial territory. It is only now in heathen's hands due to the elder fleet invasion


then by your own logic you do not possess ownership of the people you stole because time passed.
or do you not even recognize your own double standard.


I've never mentioned 'time passed'? Whatever do you mean by your statement?


You're a slow one, eh?

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#70 - 2014-07-25 22:53:44 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

Yes, because theft is not ownership - a concept I'd expect a Minmatar to be sympathetic with.


watch what racism you throw around, not everyone will appreciate it.

and he was being sarcastic as you can read by his very next statement regarding the ownership of slaves.

but seriously, back the **** off with the racism.
there is enough stupid bullshit going on without throwing wood on the fire. **** like this would have me hunting you down like nauplius if I did not know you were probably just being stupid and knee-jerking to the mention of caldari prime.


Ayallah! I was referring to slavery, ya idjit.

Sheesh, girl, wind your neck in already. You ought to know that as much as I take exception to the side that the Tribes find themselves in on this war, I'd never mock them regarding slavery. And I would never suggest all Minmatar are thieves. Who are you supposed to be stealing from? Yourselves?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Raphael Ordo
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#71 - 2014-07-25 23:18:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Raphael Ordo
Ayallah wrote:

and holy **** this is a DEFENSIVE fight that by the way, it took all of three posts for the Amarrians to make this look like it was us attacking them rather than the other way around.

god and you people are actually falling for it.

oh, and
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/factionwarfare/Minmatar_Republic

good job letting Fweddit walk all over you for a week while the system stayed stable. good job letting them shoot up everything in the area they wanted while talking about collateral damage and blaming the defenders for it.

good job amarr
amarr victor!


Wow.
I just previously thought you actually held some sort of intelligence for being a Minmatar that wasn't actually thoroughly engaged against the Empire in the Amarr-Minmatar conflict directly.
Apparently, I was wrong.
You practically fight for no cause and still try to be the 'good' one, Matari. Still in this you fail miserably and just become the incarnation of an angry little girl beyond reason.

oh, and
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/factionwarfare/Amarr_Empire

- With just a bit more than half of the active force the Minmatar think they can muster, we double their losses.
1 Imperial aligned with God vs 2 Tribals is good odds then I guess...
But I already knew that.

I am not afraid or divided in the fact that we will win this fight or not. I am certain we will.
Anyone thinking holding Huola now, and for a few years, will change anything in the long run, need to take a history class at Ordo's Praetorian Temple Library.
Our Empire has stood as a pillar of righteousness and light for thousands of years already and will be for even more to come. Time is on our side. You've already lost. By His will.

No wonder this is even a small questionmark when we've never seen the outcome of the whole Amarr Navy deployed against any enemy of the Empire.
The Imperial Navy has never deployed anywhere near its full capacity (not even 25%) to deal with anything, including the Jove, Minmatar Rebellion, the Elder Fleet, etc. If even a quarter of its true potential was directed at an entity, the results would be unfathomable.
I am not even counting in the support of the imperial capsuleers willing to sacrifice all their clones for such a cause.

The result would've changed your little world as you may think you know it, girl.
Go back home and stay out of imperial business.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#72 - 2014-07-25 23:48:56 UTC
Raphael Ordo wrote:

The Imperial Navy has never deployed anywhere near its full capacity (not even 25%) to deal with anything, including the Jove, Minmatar Rebellion, the Elder Fleet, etc. If even a quarter of its true potential was directed at an entity, the results would be unfathomable.

Well, cept' the Federation. That would likely result in the mutual destruction of both party's military. Your "Biggest stick" still isn't quite big enough for that. Moot point eather way, CONCORD won't let it come to that.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2014-07-25 23:53:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayallah
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

Ayallah! I was referring to slavery


My mistake, I did in fact mis-read it.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#74 - 2014-07-26 00:25:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayallah
Raphael, you went to killboard stats amongst capsuleers then straight to the 'wait until you see the whole fleet' line.
I have fought many wars in nullsec now and I can tell you that posting is tired even on the now-dead kugu.

As to the original topic, I have never flown with Ushra'Khan but have long heard stories about them.
Truly, I hope you live up to them.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
Ber Kan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#75 - 2014-07-26 05:34:26 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Jinari Otsito wrote:
They weren't the Empire's people to take either. Didn't stop them, so why should it stop Ushra'Khan? Can't say I mind seeing a bit of steel finally being bared from the side of the bedoodled ones. Been a while. As I count no Minmatar as enemies, I can only wish them good luck and I certainly won't stand in their way.

Given that my State is still allied with the Empire, nor will I actively aid them I'm afraid, no matter my personal convictions in this matter. Of course, everyone is welcome as customers.

Not "your" State anymore, damn traitor.
Go kiss another minmatar~



Go back to that admiral of a father you have and shush.

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Philpip
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#76 - 2014-07-26 07:18:39 UTC
Raphael Ordo wrote:


I am not afraid or divided in the fact that we will win this fight or not. I am certain we will.
Anyone thinking holding Huola now, and for a few years, will change anything in the long run, need to take a history class at Ordo's Praetorian Temple Library.
Our Empire has stood as a pillar of righteousness and light for thousands of years already and will be for even more to come. Time is on our side. You've already lost. By His will.
.


I see no benefit in encouraging people to look at the records held in Ordo's Praetorian Temple Library, an institution controlled by the Empire to tell a very one sided version of events to manipulate and cajole the multitude to a common opinion.

Real truth is found on the battlefield, not in a book. Witness the reality, like I did, then see which side you should be fighting for.

No, you were not blobbed, you just didn't bring enough people to the fight!
Ber Kan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#77 - 2014-07-26 07:57:09 UTC
I'm going to throw this out there. Guristas support the minmatar in the current struggle or...lack of current struggle of specific minmatar systems.

For Huola? I was there. And i can say. Was glad to fight for the Republic, than let it fall to supposed self-proclaiming Amarrian overlords. Or over bearing caldari militia members.

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Vincent Pryce
Damnation Angels
Watch This
#78 - 2014-07-26 14:21:50 UTC
Ber Kan wrote:
I'm going to throw this out there. Guristas support the minmatar in the current struggle or...lack of current struggle of specific minmatar systems.

For Huola? I was there. And i can say. Was glad to fight for the Republic, than let it fall to supposed self-proclaiming Amarrian overlords. Or over bearing caldari militia members.


The Guristas fight for no one but for themselves. Just because one misguided pilot is pretending to play a little dashing rogue fighting for the noble savages doesn't make the Faction give two ***** about them beyond exploitation. There is no honor among the Guristas. Just cutthroat, backstabbing backroom deals. You'd know this if you'd actually been to the inner circle.

Before you go on a deluded rant about how Guristas are somehow just misunderstood rogues looking out for the little guy, I recommend you do some research on who you are really supporting, and before you play the "at least we're not slavers", please, go and do some research about the business transactions between the Nation and the Guristas.

You should not presume to speak for Kosakami about his organization and about who they support, he doesn't like that. In fact, he despises capsuleers.

I will give you one more friendly advice. Watch your back among the Guristas. Always.

"From your Curse we made Heaven for ourselves."

Domination Seraphim

Cartel approved, Heaven blessed
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#79 - 2014-07-26 14:25:01 UTC
Do people actually see us as "noble savages"?

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
Karynn Denton
Lekhantsi Salvage Depot
#80 - 2014-07-26 14:40:22 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
Do people actually see us as "noble savages"?


Just lazy stereotyping; I'm not noble.

Karynn Denton

Caravan Master