Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Being as clones are a bog standard isk sink, I see no reason for a quality of life fix.

It amazes me how many people think this is somehow a bad thing, that want to keep sneaky 'gotchas' in the game to help convince themselves that eve is somehow 'hard' and they are 'better' than others. Newsflash: it's not and you're not.

Strange, has nobody called this a 'sneak remove clone insurance' attempt and a redundant topic yet ? Really weird and slow day I guess. Next step is 'never lose implants' thread, can't wait for that one.

Otherwise, regarding the context of the post (not the topic), it won't hurt to have the current skillcue in red instead of yellow while training. Same as for the bar under the portrait in the sidebar. Am not sure another pop-up at undock is what we need though, it's just one shortcut for either the char screen (always in the top, no matter which tab) or the skillcue as it is.

I lost Amarr Battleship V and never recovered it.
But I like the idea that if you are not cautious you will loose SP.
Eve is unfair and must stay as it.
Because all other games are fair. We don't need another game that is like all others. We already have all other games.

I am ok for balance of ships and modules because the game mechanics should have a logic.

I am ok for an upgrade of the UI that would give a better imersion. (Why an advanced space ship could not have the same advanced technology that already exist in real life today?

But I think that we must always have the pressure of making a mistake. It is the essence of this game.

this is eve everything you have can be destroyed.

Well there is a warning which shows up whenever you undock in a bad clone so make sure not to disable that.

But, I don't think it's a terrible idea, regardless of what the masochists say. Losing weeks of progress because of a silly mistake isn't challenging it's just cruel.

The overwhelming feeling of disgust, the deep sense of loss when I mess up is what keeps me coming back. It's why I was addicted to the original Everquest. Without the fear of that loss the game is lost.

Just use evemon. Gives a warning if your clone is not up to date.

Whoa, you're over-analyzing this.

Simple truth is that threads asking for an extra blink or two pop up every day, nobody really cares much either way, but light trolling is always fun. Especially if the OP makes an ALL CAPS title and gets all worked up at the first playful reply.

well, seems there's been some thought into this, and the majority of the objections aren't for any good reason other than, I lost my skill points and had to learn , others should have to do it also... Pretty juvenile to be honest, but people seem to be starting to see past it, also liked Anthar Thebess' idea about buying back lost skill points, CCP could have it so a corpse that didn't have enough upgrade to store all the skill points would show differently to others and be ransonable, if the player can get the corpse back and get it to a medical facility then experts could recover the skill points for a fee. But that's another topic I guess and if I mix them I'm sure some of the readers will get quite hysterical and try to have the entire thread removed..

You're simply dismissing what you don't want to hear. Some people like playing EVE specifically because it doesn't hold your hand and specifically because there are real implications for personal failure. Some people like the fact that you have to learn stuff or you make mistakes and lose stuff. Just because you want your hand held it doesn't make their opinions invalid.

With every hand holding addition to the game this need to actually learn and better oneself decreases. This is what people argue against. This is what some people want to keep. This is what you want to remove because you'd prefer not to have to actually think and when you screw up you'd rather go to the forum and shout that it wasn't you.... it was the game. You didn't make a mistake which you can learn from... It's CCP's fault! You don't need to learn... The game needs to change.

Well, it's not CCP's fault, it's yours. You died. You were killed. You saw yourself in space, recloned in your medical clone station and you failed to upgrade your clone. Or you left your client unattended and so one of your kids got you killed. Either way, it's your own fault.

So you can claim that the naysayers are just naysaying for the sake of it if you like but it's precisely the same as you claiming it's not your fault you lost skill points. It's simply not true.

This might read a little harsh but you've admitted the reason you've posted the OP is precisely because you lost SP. That kind of self-serving F&I post generally garners a fair amount of negative responses just because it's obvious that the OP is approaching it from a selfish perspective, not because it would actually be better for the game overall. Being emotional due to a loss isn't a good reason to change the game.

I am sorry if you're offended by this but there are valid reasons for people to not agree with you and simply dismissing them is itself pretty juvenile.