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PLEX prices are out of control

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Pheusia
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#61 - 2014-07-23 13:44:42 UTC
TheBank Manager wrote:
Pheusia wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Hakaari Uisen wrote:
Equinox Ying wrote:
There are always going to be people who moan about the price of PLEX, if the price is high then people buying PLEX to extend game time are going to cry. If the PLEX price goes down then people who buy PLEX, people who save PLEX and CCP in general are going to cry. The Price drops too low and people stop subbing their accounts with monehs and start using PLEX because it is more affordable, and CCP cry some more.


Why would CCP care about in-game PLEX prices? They've already gotten their real life money for said PLEX from whoever purchased it to begin with.
Because they care about PCU. More people online makes a healthier game.

PLEX prices aren't a problem per se, but if they're going up mainly because people are hoarding them, using them to buy clothes, or training a secondary character on an account, CCP get the same revenue but (arguably) a less lively game.


Yes indeed. CCP's customers are also EVE's content. It would be better for CCP to have an extra 10,000 people logging in even if that meant they weren't getting any more money, because the additional content those 10k people provide would attract, convert and retain still more customers.


To bad some dont see the obviouse issues here...
More players = more upkeep(costs)
At one point ccp will spend more then gain if subs get to cheap.. There are limits to eve- one obviouse one is jita ;) another is having to wait 4 days to wait for help incase of acc issues!
At this point people are just butthurt cuz plex prices are to damn high **insert memegif**
http://cheezburger.com/6058880256


The marginal cost of an extra person logging in is pretty tiny.
Marc Durant
#62 - 2014-07-23 13:45:54 UTC
If you think plex prices are too high then don't buy them, if enough people share your opinion the price will drop.

Yes, yes I am. Thanks for noticing.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2014-07-23 13:50:07 UTC
Btw, has CCP released any recent data on PLEX bought (for cash) compared to PLEX consumed ('destroyed' for gametime or AUR) over the same, sufficiently long time period?

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Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#64 - 2014-07-23 13:55:15 UTC
Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Carmen Electra wrote:
This is ridiculous

In all fairness, the velocity of price increases on Plex are ridiculous this year.

Whatever the cause[s], it needs to be addressed, asap.


For CCP's defense I think they're aware of the issue and doing their best to adress it properly. But it's not easy. They can't sell unlimited amounts of plexes on the market, they can't stop people from stockpiling 2000 plexes, the only thing they can do is setting up a max price, but I'm not quite sure they're ready for that yet. They will have to anyway at some point just to calm down speculation because it's getting crazy.

Maybe one day someone will realize that free market can't work in a game when it's about real money trading. It's their business and they should set the price around what's profitable for them, not around what players want it to be.


What on earth makes you think the market isn't working?

Oh, I get it. The price of something is higher than you personally want to pay, so the market 'isn't working'. Gotcha.
Adunh Slavy
#65 - 2014-07-23 13:57:34 UTC
Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:

Maybe one day someone will realize that free market can't work in a game when it's about real money trading. It's their business and they should set the price around what's profitable for them, not around what players want it to be.



Yeah! As if price fixing has ever worked from ancient babylon to today.

https://mises.org/books/fortycenturies.pdf

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Heinrich Erquilenne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2014-07-23 14:40:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Heinrich Erquilenne
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Carmen Electra wrote:
This is ridiculous

In all fairness, the velocity of price increases on Plex are ridiculous this year.

Whatever the cause[s], it needs to be addressed, asap.


For CCP's defense I think they're aware of the issue and doing their best to adress it properly. But it's not easy. They can't sell unlimited amounts of plexes on the market, they can't stop people from stockpiling 2000 plexes, the only thing they can do is setting up a max price, but I'm not quite sure they're ready for that yet. They will have to anyway at some point just to calm down speculation because it's getting crazy.

Maybe one day someone will realize that free market can't work in a game when it's about real money trading. It's their business and they should set the price around what's profitable for them, not around what players want it to be.


What on earth makes you think the market isn't working?

Oh, I get it. The price of something is higher than you personally want to pay, so the market 'isn't working'. Gotcha.


I don't buy or plan to buy plexes since paying for my two accounts isn't an issue and probably won't be one in the forseeable future, but thanks for your concern anyway. :)

The market isn't working because CCP admitted they had to correct it several times. If it doesn't work from a business standpoint for the company then it's just not working at all, and that's the only reason they need to correct the market or just remove the free market part from the real money trading if that's the only way to make it working as intended again.

Adunh Slavy wrote:
Yeah! As if price fixing has ever worked from ancient babylon to today.

https://mises.org/books/fortycenturies.pdf


You're completely off-topic but nevermind. Just FYI yes it works if you do it with a simple purpose in mind. There are hundreds of historical examples proving it, and I suggest you don't try to initiate a debate with me on thius topic because at the end i'll be right, I have a phd in history and have better occupations than humiliating poor souls on the internet.
coolzero
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2014-07-23 14:45:00 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
coolzero wrote:
imo a plex price should be the same as the monthly subscription fee for eve

but thats just my 2cents

Why?

What is your reasoning for that?



maby becuase you can pay 1 month gametime with it...(other things too i know but its mainly used for gametime i think)

and it makes plex cheaper so people will buy more of them and sel them for isk ingame = lower plex prices.

reasons may be (too) simple but thats how i think about it..
Victor Andall
#68 - 2014-07-23 14:48:55 UTC
> Pick a system in lowsec in a high activity region.

> Put a buy order down for plex at an obscene amount, but make it station wide.

> Empty wallet by transferring isk to corp/alt

> Wait for the plex cargo pilgrims to start pouring to the land of instant profits.

> Greet them.

I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2014-07-23 14:59:49 UTC
Carmen Electra wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
They look under market control to me.

IBTL


You didn't read OP, did you? It's ok, I wouldn't have read my post either.


Its reddit I didn't read. Reddit is a terrible place. Almost as bad as Jita. No one should go there.

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Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#70 - 2014-07-23 15:03:12 UTC
This thread is still open? What in the wide, wide world of sports is going on here?
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#71 - 2014-07-23 15:07:05 UTC
coolzero wrote:

and it makes plex cheaper so people will buy more of them and sel them for isk ingame = lower plex prices.


But less money for CCP

Im sure the price of PLEX is extremely carefully set

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Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#72 - 2014-07-23 15:32:09 UTC
"Ermagherd, PLEX is too expensive!"

No, plex price has remained constant. The price of isk has dropped.

Cartels force the price of ISK up using minerals. Until/if mineral prices drop we wont see any change in the cost of plex.

Also, secondarily, there is a LOT of isk being generated in Eve compared to a few years ago. Anoms are pretty much the most market breaking concept in game. ESS's make this worse and ruins the LP market ON TOP of the ISK market.
Adunh Slavy
#73 - 2014-07-23 15:55:33 UTC
Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:

You're completely off-topic but nevermind. Just FYI yes it works if you do it with a simple purpose in mind. There are hundreds of historical examples proving it, and I suggest you don't try to initiate a debate with me on thius topic because at the end i'll be right, I have a phd in history and have better occupations than humiliating poor souls on the internet.



ROFL go for it big man.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Lady Areola Fappington
#74 - 2014-07-23 16:14:13 UTC
Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:


You're completely off-topic but nevermind. Just FYI yes it works if you do it with a simple purpose in mind. There are hundreds of historical examples proving it, and I suggest you don't try to initiate a debate with me on thius topic because at the end i'll be right, I have a phd in history and have better occupations than humiliating poor souls on the internet.



This is known as an Appeal to Accomplishment.

It is a logical fallacy.

Don't use it.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#75 - 2014-07-23 16:15:35 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:


You're completely off-topic but nevermind. Just FYI yes it works if you do it with a simple purpose in mind. There are hundreds of historical examples proving it, and I suggest you don't try to initiate a debate with me on thius topic because at the end i'll be right, I have a phd in history and have better occupations than humiliating poor souls on the internet.



This is known as an Appeal to Accomplishment.

It is a logical fallacy.

Don't use it.


I too took Analysis of Argument in college

Bacon makes us stronger
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2014-07-23 16:23:35 UTC
Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:

You're completely off-topic but nevermind. Just FYI yes it works if you do it with a simple purpose in mind. There are hundreds of historical examples proving it, and I suggest you don't try to initiate a debate with me on thius topic because at the end i'll be right, I have a phd in history and have better occupations than humiliating poor souls on the internet.


Watch out guys, we've got a badass over here.

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Hiply Rustic
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2014-07-23 16:25:16 UTC
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
This thread is still open? What in the wide, wide world of sports is going on here?


+10 for arcane Blazing Saddles reference. Well played.

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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#78 - 2014-07-23 16:27:44 UTC
Uh Oh, Someone said the P word.
Titania Hrothgar
Nemesis Retribution
#79 - 2014-07-23 16:29:15 UTC
I'm hoping that it continues to go up. 2 billion ISK would be an awesome start! BTW, I don't buy or sell PLEX. I just find it amusing to see people complaining about purchasing game time with fake in game currency.

All the world's a stage and all the men and women are the players.
Hiply Rustic
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2014-07-23 16:31:25 UTC
Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:

You're completely off-topic but nevermind. Just FYI yes it works if you do it with a simple purpose in mind. There are hundreds of historical examples proving it, and I suggest you don't try to initiate a debate with me on thius topic because at the end i'll be right, I have a phd in history and have better occupations than humiliating poor souls on the internet.


Stop arguing. Several reasons for doing so come to mind:

First, get ten economists from different schools in a room and see how long they take to reach consensus on anything. At least as many academics with brain pans at least as big as yours will disagree with you as agree with you.

Second, arguments about economics=doomed due to dogma. Hell, some people still believe that Trickle Down really happens somewhere other than after sex.

Third, because Internet.

Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied." EvE: Only the strong-willied need apply.