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12-Barge Multi-Boxing Nullsec Miner Doesn't Want to Get Ganked
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Sh0plifter
Underworld Property Accounting Partnership
#21 - 2014-07-25 12:34:33 UTC
Okay, there is a guy who flies 60 nightmares through ISO. Only ever seen him in Lowsec twice, both times was unfortunate I was not in a cyno ship. =(
He also boxes those same pilots in hulks and mines in high sec.
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#22 - 2014-07-25 13:07:25 UTC
Christopher Mabata wrote:
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On a side note, if the Bombers Bar is still around, check them out (I have heard Drama has happened, and I haven't seen them around......I could be wrong, I've been busy......).

They do null/WH bomber roams all over and you can learn a lot.

Some pointers to the above advice:

T2 torps are nice but not really necessary, as your main weapon system is the Bomb Launcher.

Fill up your cargo hold with bombs (you can't hold very many), then torp/rocket ammo.

Torps are crap vs anything smaller than a cruiser. So don't try to duel frigs with them. Fit rocket launchers instead if you are going frigate hunting.

Covert ops cloak is the only cloak you should fit. Obvious, but sometimes you have to state the obvious.

Sensor dampeners are your friend.

A good way to practice timing/techniques for bomb launching is to bomb POCO's.

Don't be afraid to fit a warp stab. It makes you immune to bubbles and you don't need to have a lock-on to drop bombs anyway.

MWD/Cloak trick. Live it. Learn it. Flaunt it. USE IT.

You have no tank. Period. The cloak is your only defense, along with surprise, terror, and a fanatical dedication to the Pope...er....James 315.

Expect to die. Stealth bombers do that a lot when the op goes bad.

Use the right rigs for the mission. Being that SB's use frig rigs, its pretty cheap to tear them out if you need to.

Try to fly in midsize-to-large groups. You become much more dangerous in a group.

Learn to use the tactical overlay. This will help you a lot if you are a beginning bomber pilot.

And always, ALWAYS, remember that the bomb flies in the direction that you are facing at launch.....and detonates 30 km from launch point, with a 15 km blast radius. It is VERY embarrassing to get destroyed by your own bomb........


Have fun. I recommend Syndicate as a good place to start. Them Goons can be pretty tricksy, however.

Bombing a station undock is also good practice too........Bear




Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-07-25 13:31:49 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:


Good bomber advice



One more thing.... make sure you are all using the SAME type of bomb. Dont be the guy with the kinetic bomb that blows up everyone elses thermal one.

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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#24 - 2014-07-25 13:35:53 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
Don't be afraid to fit a warp stab. It makes you immune to bubbles and you don't need to have a lock-on to drop bombs anyway.

While this is good advice to keep you from getting nabbed by a lone 'ceptor, I am almost certain that warp core stabs don't grant bubble immunity.

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Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#25 - 2014-07-25 13:46:25 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
Christopher Mabata wrote:
[stuffs



On a side note, if the Bombers Bar is still around, check them out (I have heard Drama has happened, and I haven't seen them around......I could be wrong, I've been busy......).

They do null/WH bomber roams all over and you can learn a lot.

Some pointers to the above advice:

T2 torps are nice but not really necessary, as your main weapon system is the Bomb Launcher.

Fill up your cargo hold with bombs (you can't hold very many), then torp/rocket ammo.

Torps are crap vs anything smaller than a cruiser. So don't try to duel frigs with them. Fit rocket launchers instead if you are going frigate hunting.

Covert ops cloak is the only cloak you should fit. Obvious, but sometimes you have to state the obvious.

Sensor dampeners are your friend.

A good way to practice timing/techniques for bomb launching is to bomb POCO's.

Don't be afraid to fit a warp stab. It makes you immune to bubbles and you don't need to have a lock-on to drop bombs anyway.

MWD/Cloak trick. Live it. Learn it. Flaunt it. USE IT.

You have no tank. Period. The cloak is your only defense, along with surprise, terror, and a fanatical dedication to the Pope...er....James 315.

Expect to die. Stealth bombers do that a lot when the op goes bad.

Use the right rigs for the mission. Being that SB's use frig rigs, its pretty cheap to tear them out if you need to.

Try to fly in midsize-to-large groups. You become much more dangerous in a group.

Learn to use the tactical overlay. This will help you a lot if you are a beginning bomber pilot.

And always, ALWAYS, remember that the bomb flies in the direction that you are facing at launch.....and detonates 30 km from launch point, with a 15 km blast radius. It is VERY embarrassing to get destroyed by your own bomb........


Have fun. I recommend Syndicate as a good place to start. Them Goons can be pretty tricksy, however.

Bombing a station undock is also good practice too........Bear







1. I used to FC for Bombers Bar, I retired something like 4-5 months ago after all the drama when i was one of 5 FC's left and by far the most active.
2. They really aren't around anymore, Templeman N Came back but his new direction ideal seems quirky and probably wont work in the long run
3. Yes bombing undocks is great practice, No do not fit a warp core stab that blooms your sig too much and increases chances of you getting caught or alpha'd before you warp. And what was that nonsense about bubble immunity thanks to a stab? Bubble is a 99 Strength point ( much like a hic's focused warp disruption if your not in nullified T3 or an interceptor You Are Stuck end of story.
4. A competent bomber needs no stab anyways
5. Why would you need the MWD cloak trick on a bomber when you have a 4.6s align time on average as is? In Tidi blob fests thats a loooooooong time and outside tidi thats quick enough that in most cases a ceptor wont catch you unless you have bad luck or get bubbled, which is another issue all together.
6. No your main weapon is not your bombs, any Bomber FC will tell you bombs are situational, torpedos are not and can apply damage faster an more reliably than bombs, bombs can be avoided with MJD's torpedos once you tackle and scram can not
7. Right rigs for the job? Usually the rigs are for extra fitting, like i said most bombers use an MSE, which means youll need a processor overclocking rig sometimes an ancillary router too depending on the fit, i know my bomber needs a T2 anc to fit a stable 10mn Ab and T2 torps ( its a fleet fit )

All an all not bad additional advice but you need to reinforce your basics before someone loses a bomber thinking they were immune to bubbles because of a stab or uses an MWD and hits their own bomb

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2014-07-25 13:46:43 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Mike Adoulin wrote:
Don't be afraid to fit a warp stab. It makes you immune to bubbles and you don't need to have a lock-on to drop bombs anyway.

While this is good advice to keep you from getting nabbed by a lone 'ceptor, I am almost certain that warp core stabs don't grant bubble immunity.


I have my doubts about that too.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#27 - 2014-07-25 13:51:05 UTC
Sh0plifter wrote:
Okay, there is a guy who flies 60 nightmares through ISO. Only ever seen him in Lowsec twice, both times was unfortunate I was not in a cyno ship. =(
He also boxes those same pilots in hulks and mines in high sec.


Is he going through low sec incursion space? If so no good if your in a cyno ship as all incursion systems are cyno jammed anyhow. if hes not then im suprised nobody has already dropped a fleet of NAPOC's or blap dreads to fix the issue, 60 nightmares is a lot of ISK to kill and most people would leap at a chance for that.

Sidenote if he IS the incursion runner im thinking of he has alt eyes watching the nearby systems, second a fleet is coming through hes gone and not showing his face till your long gone.

♣ Small Gang PVP, Large Fleet PVP, Black Ops, Incursions, Trade, and Industry ♣ 70% Lethal / 30% Super-Snuggly / 110% No idea what im doing ♣

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Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#28 - 2014-07-25 13:52:54 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Mike Adoulin wrote:
Don't be afraid to fit a warp stab. It makes you immune to bubbles and you don't need to have a lock-on to drop bombs anyway.

While this is good advice to keep you from getting nabbed by a lone 'ceptor, I am almost certain that warp core stabs don't grant bubble immunity.


You are 100% correct, there is no such thing as stabbed bubble immunity, i called him out on it too. All bubbles have a 99 strength point and are capable of holding supers, why should a lone stab suddenly make that not the case?

Hint: it doesn't

♣ Small Gang PVP, Large Fleet PVP, Black Ops, Incursions, Trade, and Industry ♣ 70% Lethal / 30% Super-Snuggly / 110% No idea what im doing ♣

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Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#29 - 2014-07-25 13:57:21 UTC
Tara Vorkosigan wrote:
Thanks a lot, this is awesome. You ever want to take me on a training flight sometime, look me up in game. Seriously though, this should be posted somewhere.

As for the type, I've already picked one. Manticore. <3 Equally sexy to the Nemesis, and easier to fit.


Good choice with the manticore, probably my favorite of the 3 bombers i can fly, and definently the best looking by far in my honest opinion. If you need any help with fits let me know i have some very unique ones including a 10mn Stable Sniper bomber for fleet support

Second its been a while since i took anyone out for training runs, i do have a soundcloud of a training session i did for BB a long time ago mail me in game if your interested in that.

Other than that you could look into my corp if you enjoy covops, been a while since we did a Black ops fleet drop but we do covert ops all the time out here.

Fly Often, and Kill well
o7

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Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2014-07-25 14:38:28 UTC
Came to see if anything had developed with multiboxer, stayed for awesome bomber advice.

........now if only these two topics can be merged in some wonderfully violent way...
Sh0plifter
Underworld Property Accounting Partnership
#31 - 2014-07-25 14:49:31 UTC
Christopher Mabata wrote:
Sh0plifter wrote:
Okay, there is a guy who flies 60 nightmares through ISO. Only ever seen him in Lowsec twice, both times was unfortunate I was not in a cyno ship. =(
He also boxes those same pilots in hulks and mines in high sec.


Is he going through low sec incursion space? If so no good if your in a cyno ship as all incursion systems are cyno jammed anyhow. if hes not then im suprised nobody has already dropped a fleet of NAPOC's or blap dreads to fix the issue, 60 nightmares is a lot of ISK to kill and most people would leap at a chance for that.

Sidenote if he IS the incursion runner im thinking of he has alt eyes watching the nearby systems, second a fleet is coming through hes gone and not showing his face till your long gone.

No, he was roaming. He was a member of Gank for Profit, though I cannot remember his name anymore.
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#32 - 2014-07-26 01:18:46 UTC
Christopher Mabata wrote:
You are 100% correct, there is no such thing as stabbed bubble immunity, i called him out on it too. All bubbles have a 99 strength point and are capable of holding supers, why should a lone stab suddenly make that not the case?

Hint: it doesn't



Yeah, my bad.

I blame hisec, it rots the brain.

Oops

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Arknos III
Doomheim
#33 - 2014-07-27 15:26:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Arknos III
Well Bronson, I am quite disappointed. It might seem shocking but I did not in fact create that thread about mining barges in the hopes of seeing a fellow multibox miner targeted like this.

I don't post much on here but I do read a fair bit, and I always took you to be a pretty nice and reasonable fella. To see you gathering up the forums to target an individual simply for offering you an opinion about a thread topic makes me a little sick.

Unlike other carebears though, I don't quit when someone makes me sick. I don't whine to CCP or ask for nerfs. No sir, I strike back.

It seems to me that your corp - you especially - are rather active in high-sec. I've also heard there is this thing called war decs... and these things called mercs. Do you see where this is going?

Here is what is going to happen:
- Any corp you are in will be wardecced indefinitely starting at a time of my choosing.
- I will wait several weeks or months before starting, to ensure any support you'd receive will taper off
- After I am satisfied with the damages done, I will send you a message and offer you freedom for twice the price of the wardecs
- If you decline the offer, you will continue to be wardecced indefinitely. If you accept the offer, I will post the entire story in C&P.

Your friends at CODE. will convince you this is just hot air, because it almost always is. Unfortunately for you I just checked my wallet and it seems I have roughly 130 billion reasons to be believed. Big smile

There is a price to pay for the things we say and do in this game. While that might apply to the miner you've mentioned, it will apply to you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfUM5xHUY4M
Arcelian
0nus
#34 - 2014-07-27 16:37:41 UTC
Oh snap.
Tara Vorkosigan
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2014-07-27 19:49:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Tara Vorkosigan
Arknos III wrote:
Well Bronson, I am quite disappointed. It might seem shocking but I did not in fact create that thread about mining barges in the hopes of seeing a fellow multibox miner targeted like this.

I don't post much on here but I do read a fair bit, and I always took you to be a pretty nice and reasonable fella. To see you gathering up the forums to target an individual simply for offering you an opinion about a thread topic makes me a little sick.

Unlike other carebears though, I don't quit when someone makes me sick. I don't whine to CCP or ask for nerfs. No sir, I strike back.

It seems to me that your corp - you especially - are rather active in high-sec. I've also heard there is this thing called war decs... and these things called mercs. Do you see where this is going?

Here is what is going to happen:
- Any corp you are in will be wardecced indefinitely starting at a time of my choosing.
- I will wait several weeks or months before starting, to ensure any support you'd receive will taper off
- After I am satisfied with the damages done, I will send you a message and offer you freedom for twice the price of the wardecs
- If you decline the offer, you will continue to be wardecced indefinitely. If you accept the offer, I will post the entire story in C&P.

Your friends at CODE. will convince you this is just hot air, because it almost always is. Unfortunately for you I just checked my wallet and it seems I have roughly 130 billion reasons to be believed. Big smile

There is a price to pay for the things we say and do in this game. While that might apply to the miner you've mentioned, it will apply to you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfUM5xHUY4M



It's not because he's a miner. Hell, I mine sometimes. It's because he's running 12 clients to mine, and complaining that the game won't let him mine enough. He's getting greedy. He's going "Oh, I can already make insane amounts of money by myself without working with any other players, and with fairly little input! CCP need to make it even EASIER for me to make money!
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#36 - 2014-07-28 15:12:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Bronson Hughes
Arknos III wrote:
There is a price to pay for the things we say and do in this game. While that might apply to the miner you've mentioned, it will apply to you.

I stand by my words and my actions. I am fully aware of the consequences of both.

I play EvE to have fun. I started this post because I found an interesting target that, as the sole proprietor of a small corp with no ties to nullsec spaceholders, I knew I had no way to realistically engage. In an act of generosity to others who also play EvE to have fun, I decided to share this information in case anyone else wished to act on it.

I, unlike the aforementioned interesting target, live almost entiely in hisec, so I am easily accessible to all. As such, I am quite disappointed that you would choose to send mercenaries after me instead of coming after me yourself. EDIT: I am also quite disappointed to see you making these statements from behind the safety of a week-old forum alt, instead of your actual character.

I'm assuming you've checked my killboard, which means that you know I too partake in empire wardecs. I do this because I find interesting targets and want to fight them without risk of CONCORD intervention. Sadly, this is a drag because I often (but not always) end up paying 50mil ISK and not getting any fights, even when I'm busy blowing up in-space assets of the corps in question. If I had more time to dedicate to playing, I could potentially go looking for more interesting targets, but real-life comes first. You might say that I'm frustrated with the lack of interesting fights my limited play-time affords me.

If I'm understanding you correctly, what you've done is offer me an EvE-lifetime full of interesting fights, delivered to my doorstep, free of charge.

What was that you were saying about consequences of your actions?

See you (or your mercs) in space....

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My Many Misadventures

I predicted FAUXs
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#37 - 2014-07-31 14:02:11 UTC
Arknos III wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfUM5xHUY4M

For someone who fashions themselves* after Dr. Evil, I am disappointed by your lack of reply. I was expecting more drama, humor, or theatrics. At the very least a "100 BILLION DOLLARS" video clip would have been appropriate.

0/10

*Or rather, their forum alt, and one who doesn't know how to properly imbed links for that matter.

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My Many Misadventures

I predicted FAUXs
Tara Vorkosigan
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2014-08-01 19:47:38 UTC
Another relevant question to bombing: Is it possible to fit an expanded probe launcher for combat probes on a stealth bomber, or is that relegated to a dedicated cov-ops ship for scouting? I"m trying to figure out if I should buy a buzzard for scouting bomb targets before bringing the bomber wing in. Either that, or I just warp around cloaked in the bomber and use D-Scan.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#39 - 2014-08-01 20:43:29 UTC
Tara Vorkosigan wrote:
Another relevant question to bombing: Is it possible to fit an expanded probe launcher for combat probes on a stealth bomber, or is that relegated to a dedicated cov-ops ship for scouting? I"m trying to figure out if I should buy a buzzard for scouting bomb targets before bringing the bomber wing in. Either that, or I just warp around cloaked in the bomber and use D-Scan.

If you have a mobile depot or other fitting service available, yes, you can technically fit an expanded probe launcher on a bomber. Whether it's worth the hassle of refitting compared to bringing a dedicated CovOps frigate (which actually gets bonuses to scan probe strength) is entirely up to the FC.

Relatively Notorious By Association

My Many Misadventures

I predicted FAUXs
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