Science & Industry

i have cancelled my 60 research jobs, unancorched and sold my 10 research labs. selling my 3.5b worth of BPOs

this patch is a nightmare and destroyed part of the game that I enjoyed.

So, looks like many are actually taking a break from Industry right now - it will be interesting to see what that does to the market.

Correct me if I'm wrong: currently we have 10% tax on all S&I jobs - with profit margings around 2-10% or so when building t1 stuff those items will most likely not be built anymore - for a while.
Therefore the price of those products will most likely rise, whilst minerals and other ressources will become cheaper, right?
At the same time that 10% tax will be lowered - because less industry jobs will be installed.

Those numbers will eventually even out over time.

However, that tax will suck out ISK from the market. Therefore people will have to kill 1-10% more rats to keep the inflation at the current rate, since rats are the only way to actually generate ISK from thin air. All other activities is just shifting assets.
More likely: people wont be killing more rats than before - looks like CCP finally found a way to stop that inflation.


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Salvaged materials are already dropping, it seems. Tripped Power Circuit went down by 5%

Your miner friends are upset because they are uninformed. Eve players just aren't spectacular exemplars of the species. If among them they have even one toon with maxed refining skills, their yields will be equal to what they were before, and they now have options to increase their refining yields to levels beyond what were possible before Crius.

I think everyone miss the real danger in this new "update".

Manufacturing cost is not a real problem because the market will be adapt for absorbe this new cost. So just be patient and you will earn nomey as before.

But the real problem is about the market price, everything will cost more and more, and in a future what do you think will happen if you have to paid you t1 frigate close to 1m ???

It will impact the pvp, because if the ship and the fitting become too expensive nobodies will want to take the risk to lose it (who played to pirate of burning sea know that). and less pvp in eve is a dead eve.

And what about new player ??? it will take for them forever to can be efficient and have the isk for really start to manufactur. And about the player who just want pve/pvp they will cannot afford good ship because just for remind you the loot in pve mission and exploration was nerf too. So at the end it will be only two solution : buy a plex or leave the game (it's a game if it take forever to have just one ship is not fun and be honest pepole will leave)

The last update (and the many past nerf) Is just a hiding hope for CCP that player will just run for buy plex in plus of their sub.



PS. sorry for my english i still learning it.

I see you have deep and strong economic knowledge. If you think the price is only lead buy the installation cost is kind of scary as you are a CSM.

so let me give you some examples :

-player stop manufacturing -> the price go up because no supply any more.

- player continue to manufacturing but the price become too expensive -> pvp player stop pvp because they can afford the price so they don't want lose the ship -> nobodies buy the price go down until the player stop manufacturing stuff because they will lose money ...

- player who manufacturing can't afford to supply enough quantities because of the prod cost -> price go up.

An other example about the POS, Now if you have a POS you have to pay the installation cost (i know you can stack stuff for make it lower) but it still an additional cost in plus of the fuel who will cost more too.

And you have to consider the isk/hour, if the proder don't find the isk/hour good enough compare to the time and effort of this activity the will stop it and go do something else or leave the game

Eve is a balance between all the activities if you screw one the other will be screw too.

That really scary you didn't see the impact on the player of this kind of action, that simple if now player have to buy plex for afford a ship they will leave (remember Eve is not a F2P player already pay a sub )

I'm still trying to absorb the changes, so I have far more questions than answers.

I've been based in Penirgman since 2007. Currently, my index is sitting at .05, which is higher even than Amarr which is .04. This appears to be due to Penirgman having 14 industrial stations compared to Amarr's 1. Since the beginning of time Penirgman has been fine in that there have been at worst minimal build backlogs, yet a system with very high capacity is now a pariah compared to a one-station hole like Orkashu.

I have absolutely no confidence in moving one jump to Orkashu, as it's just too obvious, and even if it weren't obvious it's entirely possible that my volume alone will tilt it over.

Fair enough, all's fair in love. What I can't figure out is, if my installation fee to build one Abaddon is just shy of 10mil, and the best price I've found by flying around is about 5mil, why the speculators aren't buying radically underpriced Abaddons, and why the price isn't spiking already. I've shut down my operation, and the one builder in Domain that I know is larger than me is in a system with an even higher index, so the disconnect between costs and supply seriously has me baffled.

I assumed (sue me) a gradual change from patch day. But this crap seems like the product of a sadistic bunch of hand-waving (worst possible synonym for vaginas) laughing around a scrum of fail.

Well you have forces pulling in both directions. Increased costs and in some cases increased effort will push up. On the other hand those new taxes are a massive ISK sink. I wouldn't be surprised if it actually got us into deflation.

Although totally against CCPs plans to push people away from being centred around trade hubs like Jita, sure having a system like Penirgman (as another poster mentioned) would be cheaper. Having 14 industry stations in a system would surely offer cheaper industry than having 1 station in system (competition between station owners if nothing else)

I can see the prices of things being pushed upwards by a lot, maybe outside the reach of new players who will give up in frustration, all but the richest corps/alliances would feel the pinch in terms of SRP if they have one, but even individual players will need to shell out much more to replace ships.

There is a massive increase in fuel costs so buying stuff to be transported will cost more.
The cost to make stuff has gone up so it will cost more to buy.
Re-processing loot is now pointless and so isk cannot be clawed back that way

I guess it is a waiting game whilst the market catches up. We’ll know in a few months whether CCP have nerfed their own game so much that people just unsub and move onto other things. If that is the case I suspect they will move to unnerf to nerf to some degree.

wrong.

If it's a way to do significant profit people will comeback in this system and your installation cost will go up again. If nobodies comeback that mean your price will be so high than most of people can't/don't pay for it.

So how you will get rich ????

Oh, I know about supply and demand. I have to take it into account when I make things, as it's entirely possible for me to flood some of the markets I deal with, to the point it'll take months to clear the oversupply.

Yes, prices can rise, when people stop producing. But that's countered by people recognizing a profitable market, and starting to produce in it. It's a dynamic equilibrium.

As such, it can pretty much be discounted as a source of prices rising, unless the barrier to entry is very high. (Most Eve markets aren't gated, excluding capitals (high initial investment of isk and time))

That leads to the following causes of price rises:

• Job costs (static fairly small increase)
• POS costs. These are a lot more dynamic, due to the sources of materials. However, if they rise too far, then people can shift to stations for a minimal increase to the job cost.
• Material costs. These could cause a spiral up. However, the barrier to entry for mining is really low. If mineral prices rise enough, it becomes worth mining for people, which caps off a spiral. Mineral gathering is

Now, you had half a valid point with the 'ship to expensive to replace, won't pvp, ships become not worth making'. If it becomes too expensive to pvp, people will stop playing. But there's a feedback loop you've not taken into account. ISK is a limited resource. If ships can't be bought, materials won't get bought. Which will lead to a reduction of the price of those materials (minerals, for example, are pretty much free to harvest, except for time.). So materials can pretty much be discounted from creating a spiral.