Science & Industry

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I hope all builders do this.

Makes the inevitable price spike to arrive a lot quicker...

I was fully ramped industry before and I am staying that way. I have made some changes in the last couple of months but they have been changes that are not really affected by the patch. Moving from making T2 in high to making caps in null is an idea that's been around forever.

Pre-patch I did do a flurry of research and as of today have over 200 BPOs that are perfect, so that sting has been mitigated somewhat. A number of the gems in my 90 billion ISK BPO collection still aren't perfect though and now will take years to get that way, but they're all ME 7%-9% under the new system and I think I can work with that.

I'll be downgrading one of my POSes to small and adding a refining POs. I'll still be using the same alts, as while Material Efficiency (Advanced Industry) is no longer critical, I still have use for the Advanced Mass Production 5 and Advanced Lab Ops 5, and of course the horde of PI alts and DST pilots all have their place, as does the personal multi box mining fleet.

Right now I am just anxious to dig into the utilization of teams, and have much more to be excited about than to dread. The only real kick in the teeth from the patch is the jump fuel increase as I have switched from freighter transport to JF/Rorq transport, and transportation management is now going to be the critical factor in my success. Being in null really seems to simply replace industry job install costs with transportation costs.

Market fluctuations from the ore market and the system cost indexes will have an influence on how I do industry, but not whether I do industry. There are things that I am waiting and watching, some things that I am actively figuring out, but for the most part I am still charging forward.

So, All of the blueprints I have that I spent so much time on are now all at perfect points, but all the levels I spent months researching are no longer a thing... So the value has gone down since anyone with less research than me can get the same result much faster.


That's cool. Yay sweeping changes to how something as painstaking as how long research takes.

Your post tells me everything I need to discern that you know nothing about nothing. I totally recommend you quit industry. It's obviously not your bag. Not everybody is talented at everything, man. Sometimes it's best to know when you need to move on.

So you are aware that they upped yield so that in a 50% station a 72% refine today will get you the same amount of ore that a 100% refine got you yesterday? And with the new POS modules you can get 52% or 54% base, and with a 4% or 5% implant you can get over a 72% refine?

And you do understand that your perfect standings still affect the 5% we take tax exactly the same as they did before?

Basically, what's different now is that you need perfect skills and a 3% implant to get the 72% refine which equals what was a 100% refine. So your training was not wasted. Likely you need to do more of it, and get all applicable skills to 5.

The only thing that got nerfed is module refine. That's going the way of the dodo. But in terms of ore refining, complete your training and get to a 72% refine. That's the new 'perfect refine'. And use of implants, POS modules, and station upgrades will get you 'beyond perfect' now, giving yields beyond what were possible before.

A valid point.

Change is the only constant, though. Best to roll with the punches, rather than try to block them with your jaw.

As this was announced a while ago, I started training alts for this. One alt trained ice and scrap to 5, the other started with low-end ores and I think only has ABCM left (he started training late).

Every once in a while CCP shakes-up their ant farm to keep things interesting.

I personally have canceled all my subscriptions on 4 accounts (unfortunately they are paid up for 3 to 6 more months) so I will be forced to stick around.

While I understand I have to re-lean the ins and outs of manufacturing. It seems like a lot that these changes have forced on us

Rebuild my spreadsheets to manage my operation.

Figure out how these changes impact the way I do things.

Maybe require me to move systems.

Change how I research BPO's

Throw out all my assumptions on how much things cost

Throw out all the knowledge on what is worth manufacturing

take a second look at t2 manufacturing

Look in to alcamey (sp) and reactions as those have changed too

Oh, figure out how much it costs to Jump the JF and Rorq since the changed consumption and size of isotopes

I think CCP could have done this in a more iterative process as they suggested by having lots of little releases. But this is like their old process of BIG changes all at once. I don't get their development strategy. They say one thing and do what they always have done.

I think my biggest beef is that If they ever made this drastic of changes to Combat, the game would be dead. (Sorry Ship re-balancing does not compare) . It would be like them saying we are going to get rid of Missiles and make them mortars, Change Lasers to WaveMotion Cannon's, ammo will no longer be needed but you have to pay X aurum(sp) per shot. oh and High sec got converted to NULL (though it feels that way sometimes anyway), and we got rid of docking up.

Not happy, with all the changes so fast (after no changes for as long as I can remember) . I'll finish what is in the pipeline and then take a break. Don't know if I will come back do what I was doing or what. I might just play to the end of my subscriptions and be done, it has been a good 6 years

The spreadsheets are vastly simpler now. A huge improvement, I just updated my entire ore processing, and if you have a build cost spreadsheet of more than about 10 BPO's I hope you do an SDE import rather than manually entering all the values (Something I need to learn to do)
Researching BPO's hasn't really changed
And if you did invention T2 shouldn't have had significant actual changes either though the ME numbers look different.

As for doing it in parts, compared to the grand scheme of changes this is just a small part, Invention is next, and then POS management & corp roles, and I'd really rather than not take six years to roll through just those three stages.