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Michael1995
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#61 - 2014-07-23 04:23:42 UTC
Woops!

Selling WH CFC Standings 10b/month for +10 with: Lazerhawks, Hard Knocks, Overwatch This, Many Vacancies, Golden Showers, Friendly Probes, Isogen Memed.

Join up for swag C3 Gila/Osprey ratting fleets daily! We also rent C2s out with CV effect!
Braxus Deninard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#62 - 2014-07-23 04:44:42 UTC
Michael1995 wrote:
Woops!


Hahaha that's great.
Jim Womack
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2014-07-23 04:45:39 UTC
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FeroxFlux
ReckIess Ascension
#64 - 2014-07-23 05:19:23 UTC  |  Edited by: FeroxFlux
I think the point that was being made is that the few of us that were on were willing to give a fight to someone we had a feeling we were going to lose to. They had a fleet that outmanned us, but we were bored and wanted to have a little fun in the form of a fight. The result, as you can see, is one guy ISBoxing 20 Ishtars into us, which didn't even lead to what one would remotely consider a good fight.

We lost internet spaceships, we don't care. What we gained is insight into an alliance in W-space that we will not give good fights to in the future, even made more evident by the SSC responses in this thread. Nothing more, nothing less. And before this erupts into a `lel aesir QQ`, I do want to thank SSC for giving our comms something to laugh about.

We'll save our good fights for people like Iso 5, Hawks, Hard Knocks, etc, until they display the same behavior that SSC displayed.
Andiedeath
We Aim To MisBehave
Wild Geese.
#65 - 2014-07-23 05:26:03 UTC
Adriana Nolen wrote:
Nerf Cap escalations. Being able to plex such ridiculousness shouldn't be easily feasible.


Another point is that PLEX is sooo expensive currently that even ISBoxing that many toons in a c5/c6 to plex the accounts would only be for those play the game way too much.

I wouldnt worry as this just means more ganking for the rest of us in WH space as these IS Boxer blobs are great for padding our killboards!!!!

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Sefem Velox

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Axloth Okiah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2014-07-23 05:58:01 UTC
FeroxFlux wrote:
I do want to thank SSC for giving our comms something to laugh about.
We aim to please.

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Andiedeath
We Aim To MisBehave
Wild Geese.
#67 - 2014-07-23 06:42:29 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
The point about IS Boxer and people who run 30 accounts I would like to make is this. It is true that they are a good customer (because someone is paying per month per account either themselves or a PLEX).

However, they represent only revenue, not an opportunity for CCP to grow the brand of EVE online via having, firstly, a balanced game without exploits and macro botting and all that ****; if CCP needs the revenue it is better to get 24 individual customers versus one 24 account IS Boxer because two dozen individuals have far greater power to convince their mates to join, to expound upon the game in blogs and videos, and grow the brand.

They also have a millionth the ability to ruin the game for other players via IS Boxing in PVP (or indeed, stripping whole C5s of anomalies solo, depriving others of income) which is unfair due to synchronicity of Ishtar drone DPS, etcetera, which could result in dropped subscriptions and revenue.

Clearly CCP is not moving on IS Boxer because the majority of people make do with two screens, two clients, and skill, versus pay-to-win. It is, however, bad economics and bad strategy in my opinion. Deal with 23 less subs per month, replace them with nubs, and power of twos, and grow the business sustainably.


+1... Its sad when an educated responce gets lost in the trollolololololololololololing....

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Sefem Velox

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MrSnooze
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2014-07-23 09:31:00 UTC
bfff all that complaining ... as you guys have never been blopped ... believe it or not we get blopped as well and do be honest where is the difference if 20 more different people appear on the field or 20 accounts piloted by one player ... in the end you face 20 more ships ... live with it its EVE !!

and one more hint .... but dont tell it someone else ... in wspace its quite a lot of baiting and having people in reserve , most good wspace corps have a vanguard fleet and a main fleet waiting hidden somewhere else. Shocked

and sometimes we just wanna laugh :D

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Van Steiza
Whale Girth
Touched by the Tism
#69 - 2014-07-23 12:55:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Van Steiza
Couple of my farmers got killed by him, I genuinely found it quite funny at the time.

However I can see the issue when you guys might run into another pvp entity with say 20 or 30 t3's and the target entity has the same numbers then this guy brings 15 ishtars. At that point I would imagine the target wouldnt feel to confident in the idea of fighting. Thats a pretty extreme advantage in say a magnetar where I live for example. One person adding a huge advantage in fleet numbers in dps which would make alot of people resistant to fight.

Isboxer is great for alot of things as I have used it myself for things like dual boxing guardians or dreads etc. The issue I think is when you have people with 20 or 30 accounts swaying so heavily in one direction a fight with only one person being at the controls.


Thats just my opinion anyway.
Jim Womack
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2014-07-23 14:54:22 UTC
Over the past two years that I have been in this corp I think we for the most part have spent a consider amount of effort to engage in most pvp fights with a fair fleet comp trying to keep the "good" fights wspace is known for. Hell we have often lost fights in our own system by trying to not capital blob our opponents.

Have we blobed people before? For sure what large wspace corp/alliance hasn't? I'm sure we will continue to on occasion have a blob fleet however we tend to try and limit our fleet sizes and comp to fit the situation.

Our multiboxers ask the fc how many toons they are allowed to bring and go with it, some times it's 1 ... others it's 5... once in a blue moon it's screw it bring all the things.

But considering the image we have built for ourselves over the past years as a trustworthy and fair corp I find some of the opinions in this thread are probably a bit hastily made.
Traiori
Going Critical
#71 - 2014-07-23 15:54:07 UTC
Far be it from me to not jump on the hate train, but I like rolling into FCFTW because they tend to try to bring a fair fight. Perhaps you're right and the ISBoxer's are taking over, but my experience of them has been that they try to bring equal numbers to whatever you can bring.

Though, yes, I find that guy frankly hilarious. I think everyone does. I mean: Nestors?
Galo Entie
D1ck Butt Squad
#72 - 2014-07-23 18:27:22 UTC
Well our Alliance saw this guy in our hole, and had some fun. He was running sites, so we decided to cap escalate for him. (I was not a part of this fleet, it was another corpy).

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Fundito Jones
Navalia Aeternam
#73 - 2014-07-23 22:44:25 UTC
Hi Saint! Would you like to talk about this? Im here for you man, you dont have to go through this alone! Blink
Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
#74 - 2014-07-23 23:08:38 UTC
Andiedeath wrote:


+1... Its sad when an educated responce gets lost in the trollolololololololololololing....



First time in the wormhole forums eh?

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Andiedeath
We Aim To MisBehave
Wild Geese.
#75 - 2014-07-24 01:03:08 UTC
Hatshepsut IV wrote:
Andiedeath wrote:


+1... Its sad when an educated responce gets lost in the trollolololololololololololing....



First time in the wormhole forums eh?



LOL! Not the first by a long way... But just wanted to make sure one of the only educated responces got bumped to the top peoples minds again... Coming from a marketing background, I hope CCP's marketing team actually take note....

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Sefem Velox

INGAME CHANNEL: Sefem Public
Saisin
Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp
#76 - 2014-07-24 02:24:48 UTC
Andiedeath wrote:
Hatshepsut IV wrote:
Andiedeath wrote:


+1... Its sad when an educated responce gets lost in the trollolololololololololololing....



First time in the wormhole forums eh?



LOL! Not the first by a long way... But just wanted to make sure one of the only educated responces got bumped to the top peoples minds again... Coming from a marketing background, I hope CCP's marketing team actually take note....

Totally agree...
Make the Eula cover any kind of macro usage, and clearly ban IsBoxer.

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Verisimilidude 001
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#77 - 2014-07-24 06:32:22 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
The point about IS Boxer and people who run 30 accounts I would like to make is this. It is true that they are a good customer (because someone is paying per month per account either themselves or a PLEX).

However, they represent only revenue, not an opportunity for CCP to grow the brand of EVE online via having, firstly, a balanced game without exploits and macro botting and all that ****; if CCP needs the revenue it is better to get 24 individual customers versus one 24 account IS Boxer because two dozen individuals have far greater power to convince their mates to join, to expound upon the game in blogs and videos, and grow the brand.

They also have a millionth the ability to ruin the game for other players via IS Boxing in PVP (or indeed, stripping whole C5s of anomalies solo, depriving others of income) which is unfair due to synchronicity of Ishtar drone DPS, etcetera, which could result in dropped subscriptions and revenue.

Clearly CCP is not moving on IS Boxer because the majority of people make do with two screens, two clients, and skill, versus pay-to-win. It is, however, bad economics and bad strategy in my opinion. Deal with 23 less subs per month, replace them with nubs, and power of twos, and grow the business sustainably.


I'll address this specific post but leave most of the rest alone--My corpmates have done a stellar job speaking to other points raised in this thread :)

ISBoxer isn't botting or macroing in any sense of the word. It doesn't automate any activity whatsoever and, by itself, generates no game input at all. Its most useful application is actually information collation--If you check out my video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peBPbR-sPck) you'll see that being able to rearrange the user interface of 20 characters is vastly more useful than being able to clone mouse clicks.

It's a silly statement that multiboxers slow or reverse the growth of Eve as a game. We create content in the same way that any other player or group of players do (see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB6xEx7YL38&feature=youtu.be). I do strip C5s of their anomalies, but generally only deploy to systems that have 5+ built up. One could argue that I'm actually doing a service to WH space by redistributing anomalies from backwater systems to more-used ones and creating other content (see "cap escalations"). It's no more unfair than a group of people putting together their own non-escalation farming group.

Eve is an inherently unfair game. If that thought is unsettling then perhaps you should consider another?

In conclusion, CCP isn't moving on ISBoxer because it doesn't actually negatively impact anyone.

@OP
That was a good fight. Our corp laughed a lot on TS, it sounds like your corp laughed on TS too. What more do you want from a fight?
Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
xX SERENITY Xx
#78 - 2014-07-24 08:13:34 UTC
banning isBoxer wont help as on place of isboxer something other may came up. just apply IP/HOST limitations max 3 accounts per ip/host and problem will be solved

oh i began mining in c2 wormhole and accidently decloaked proteus on front of me, didnt shot me but he was orbiting my barge 500m later another prot came in and firework tengu it pointed me and got fireworks for 5minutes afer making fun of me they warped out to their hole
HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#79 - 2014-07-24 08:15:12 UTC
Verisimilidude 001 wrote:

@OP
That was a good fight. Our corp laughed a lot on TS, it sounds like your corp laughed on TS too. What more do you want from a fight?




The Answer: Winning

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Shilalasar
Dead Sky Inc.
#80 - 2014-07-24 09:22:28 UTC
Verisimilidude 001 wrote:
ISBoxer isn't botting or macroing in any sense of the word. It doesn't automate any activity whatsoever and, by itself, generates no game input at all. Its most useful application is actually information collation--If you check out my video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peBPbR-sPck) you'll see that being able to rearrange the user interface of 20 characters is vastly more useful than being able to clone mouse clicks.

It's a silly statement that multiboxers slow or reverse the growth of Eve as a game. We create content in the same way that any other player or group of players do (see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB6xEx7YL38&feature=youtu.be). I do strip C5s of their anomalies, but generally only deploy to systems that have 5+ built up. One could argue that I'm actually doing a service to WH space by redistributing anomalies from backwater systems to more-used ones and creating other content (see "cap escalations"). It's no more unfair than a group of people putting together their own non-escalation farming group.

Eve is an inherently unfair game. If that thought is unsettling then perhaps you should consider another?

In conclusion, CCP isn't moving on ISBoxer because it doesn't actually negatively impact anyone.


That is your view on the topic. For many people ISBoxer has a negative impact on their game. The question is if it outweights the good.
And whilest ISBoxer isn´t botting or macroing the program violates the EULA. Maybe you don´t use the features of it that do so. Also it gives you a pay-to-win advantage over nonusers, no way around that. CCP looked at both sides of it, then puts it against the trouble and costs to keep ISBoxer out and decided not to move against it for now.