EVE General Discussion

Yes they have.
Why?

Miners: they don't mine on 1 account.
PVE : things you do on 1 account , you can do on 2 and more faster. Sometimes you just cannot do it on 1 account.
PVP: one word - Links!

In higsec you don't need "EYES" or Cyno accounts, lowsec and nullsec is a different story.

Now lets look on the plex price.
When i started playing Plex was around 240 mil and during this time raised to 800mil.

What negative happened to player income / cost during this time :
From CCP side:
- nerf to NPC bounties
- nerf to rat drop (first meta 0 modules , now 50% reprocessing )
- nerf to rogue drone regions ( drone minerals )
- nerf to blue loot
- nerf to escalations ( you only have 24h )
- buff then nerf to FW (but FW is still unbalaced when you talk about risk vs reward)
- ships use more T1 minerals to build them
- endless ice belts are gone

From player to player perspective:
- smaller alliance sov is gone, replaced by endless renter space.
Now you have to pay , and cannot use all empty systems around you.

Like you see many ACTIVE ways how you can earn your isk got hit heavily by CCP - and this is very bad.
You can say that nerfing drone regions , reprocessing , meta drops is good for eve as now you have to mine more minerals, well yes , but this will be done by people isboxing 23/7 mining ships - for me this change is bad.

Summarizing.
For most of the players income sources where reduced , and at the same time plex prices went up.
It was easier to earn those 800mil 2 years ago , and buy 3 plexes for extra accounts.

The more i think about it CCP made many , many bad decisions.

What is better for the game.
Spending 200 mil for 3 battleships that you can loose , or on 1 unfitted battleship?

dunno don't remember what I was on about .... this old thread..... I drank so much last night you are lucky I can remember my name.

All fair points Anthar but you need to factor in the number of PLEX bought as a result of prices being this high, not just the number sold to players wanting to sub. I expect sales are up given that the amount of ISK you can bank is 3 x higher than back when you were doing it. Every nerf to income makes buying ISK more appealing over grinding it out in the game, though a lot of players will actually do both.

But I have another issue with PLEX rather than subbing. Let's say you work in the real world at minimum wage. In 1 hour you can earn enough to sub one account. In six hours six accounts, per month. Now in-game in order to PLEX those 6 accounts you've probably had to grind for one or two whole 8 hour days.

So it's always made more sense to have a job IRL and sub than to PLEX anyway simply in terms of time. Disability/illness notwithstanding of course.

Yup, you keep hammering away with your lies.
Sorry, but beating the very dead skeleton of a horse suggesting Incursions are some "new" thing is ridiculous.

I find this a funny thing. People complain about nerfing, throw tantrums, and throw their toys down. I believe in beating them at their own game. I believe in never surrendering and fighting to keep what is yours. Selling what is yours accomplishes...? Someone will buy them and use them and all you did was become a toon seller. I say take those PI toons drink moon goo till it pours out the sides of a freighter and make a killing at it. Turn that frown upside down..... why so serious?

Explain what you mean by 'replaced by higher income'

From what/where?

If the poster said that bounties were reduced, and assuming that is a fact (bounties have been reduced right?) how does getting less for the same rat equate into higher income? Do you mean doing something OTHER than killing that rat will give you more isk?

If so then he is actually correct in saying that the action of shooting a rat has reduced income compared to what it was and that, at its core is a nerf right?

You seem to like doing that, saying someone is wrong because they are wrong, not because reason a, b and c. thats how it works, you have to give a REASON why someone is wrong, not just say they are wrong without giving a reason. I mean you can but you look like an idiot.

And don't just reply saying 'I already gave reasons so I'm not going to give them again'. That's dodging the question and is pretty transparent :)

I'll make it easy, just explain how getting less bounty (and less loot and now less refined minerals in HS unless you pay for a pos with refining array) is not a nerf. better yet, how that is a buff. that is what you are implying since you specifically crossed out the nerf part.

ps. I'm not debating the nessesity of any buff/nerf. only if you are a troll or not.

Nope, because the poster fails to mention that while the rat bounty is reduced, CCP also gave us ships that kill rats faster.

-reduced penalties for using tech2 ammo
-target painters cycle faster thus less painter juggling
-Torps (for example) apply damage better due to those weapons using what used to be 'guided missile only' skills
-extreme buffs to damage application in other ways (bastion mod marauders)
-extreme buffs to mean DPs output on various ships (1500 DPs Fleet Typhoons and Rattlesnakes for example)

etc etc etc

End result is a buff to isk making through rat killing.


The reforms (not nerfs) CCP did were balanced by the fact that they introduced sooooo much other stuff in high sec, like SOe ships (which boosted the value of other SOE gear like implants and probes and probe launchers), faction mining links, the changes to the mining ships that making mining hardwirings pure gold, the changes to freighters that make Thukker implants a good investment, plus the above mentioned changes to ships and other aspects that make high sec (and all sec ) PVE easier and more lucrative.

The only people claiming that things have been nerfed are people who are stuck in the past. Real (creative) EVE players understand that we are living in a PVE golden age the likes of which have never been seen in EVE before. you can make a mint in Faction Warfare with a freaking frigate class ship nowadays.

And yet in order to play that way and net all these "buffs" you all keep referring too means that they need to change the way they play and what they do in game or else face a nerf. What you will find is that a lot of people see the nerf and just leave like a lot of people have over the years. A very few will branch out into something new and of those few only a few will be successful at it when they stick with it and master it.

That is one of the main reasons that player retention is low when CCP changes things.

Yes, failing to take the realities of the game into account and choosing to keep playing suboptimally rather than adapt means you won't get the most out of the earning improvements offered. This is as it should be, and most people are perfectly capable of that kind of adaptation.

Sure, a very few will feel that they have to try something new for whatever reason, but that is itself a way of adapting, but again, most don't need to do that and can just keep doing what they're doing. Many even relish the opportunity to give their standard activities a little shake-up and figure out new ways of doing things.

Really? The general trend is that when CCP changes things, the numbers go up…

Real Money : Video Game Money

Guess which one is more valuable.