These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Player Features and Ideas Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Better Group Visibility

First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Rebbeca Neresh
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-07-20 21:45:44 UTC
Eve is a excellent place to play with friends, and to make friends however the ease of visibility for groups like Spectre Fleet, RvB Ganked and the Incursion communities leaves something to be desired.

The NPSI communities and the Incursion communities are vibrant, loud and tight nit, they are informed and produce some of the best and the most enjoyable content in the game.

however new players only hear of them from other players, or via Reddit and other social media or through the actions of Mangala and Jayne being a focus of "community spotlight" every once in a blue moon.

i would like if possible to have these communities featured in the channel listing, much in the same way E-Uni now has a channel in the help section, Spectre and Ganked could feature in a "NPSI£ section and places like ISN TVP and TDF could feature under "incursions", or via a "more info" section somewhere in the games UI with links to their channels. to give these communities more visibility so that new players can come and say hi, ask questions and join fleets, giving new players a more convenient way to access and learn about these groups.

Also i would love to see a place where this information could be placed IN GAME, like how some other games have ingame wikis. this place can collate information on Groups like Spectre with links to channels and the like.
Christopher Tsutola
State Navy
#2 - 2014-07-20 21:50:29 UTC
This is the kind of thing that needs to be left up to the community not to CCP the less CCP needs to get involved the better the game will do for itself. not saying new players wouldn't gain from hearing of these groups but that it needs to be up to the players in eve to spread info about them not CCP
Rebbeca Neresh
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-07-20 21:54:49 UTC
Christopher Tsutola wrote:
This is the kind of thing that needs to be left up to the community not to CCP the less CCP needs to get involved the better the game will do for itself. not saying new players wouldn't gain from hearing of these groups but that it needs to be up to the players in eve to spread info about them not CCP


I agree that the work of players to talk about players often yields much better work then CCP saying this exists, but imo a place where players can more easily get to channels and find information about these groups the better, ease of access in my opinion is something CCP can give us to come degree with a centralized location of information.


and having a place to find channel links would help people who hear a name and want to check it out would be invaluable in getting new blood.
Rebbeca Neresh
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-07-21 00:08:53 UTC
Quote:
Ability to search for public channels about a specific subject is a much better option.
Just do what IRC does. Have one giant list that gets updated. A player can pull and then can search based on number of people, or channel MOTD keywords. - urbn


This was commented on the reddit thread i linked to this post, and honestly i agree and it goes well with another point someone made.

Quote:
This needs to be part of a much bigger overhaul to the social aspect of EVE. Hearing about certain communities, corporations or events relies pretty much on luck at the moment for "eve born" people. You may be messaged by someone who ganked you, you may see a anchored can, you may have a friend who knows a friend. You may have been lucky, but there is also a lot of people who didn't luck out and are doomed to run level 4s and quit. Facilitating the matching of player A with player B should be far better than now, rather than letting two ships pass by each other in the night.
All channels should have the ability to list themselves in a public index, with description of what the channel is about. The corp finder should be expanded to include things beyond corporations, and should return unended results, results should be able to be sorted in order of variables like members, more tags including custom tags to describe themselves, etc.
I am a member of certain channels and we have people coming in saying "I played this game 10 years and never knew this channel existed". Which is a shame as from channels cross pollination happens, trading, grouping, recruiting, and so on. -Dannico


This was also commented to the Reddit thread, and i cant agree more. new players need an easier, more convenient way to interact with the community and communities, tools outside of the game can only do so much, people might miss a video, or not read the community spotlight, they might be told who did what and forget the name.

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#5 - 2014-07-21 00:27:23 UTC
As you might expect, with Mangala on the CSM, this kind of thing gets attention.

The biggest concern is how to keep it from being spammed to hell, but also not erecting insurmountable challenges. And how a player would interact with it.

I would, personally, love it, if the channel system was reworked to allow for tagging and some descriptive text to be added (if desired) and have it being searchable.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Rebbeca Neresh
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2014-07-21 00:46:32 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
As you might expect, with Mangala on the CSM, this kind of thing gets attention.

The biggest concern is how to keep it from being spammed to hell, but also not erecting insurmountable challenges. And how a player would interact with it.

I would, personally, love it, if the channel system was reworked to allow for tagging and some descriptive text to be added (if desired) and have it being searchable.


yes this is the main concern / issue i have. because we all know abuse happens and will happen to something like this if not handled well. and putting too much of a burden on CCP GMs or Devs with a application system for places might not be the way foward.

but like all good discussions lets keep spit balling and throw the jar down and see what we get
S3ND3TH
Czerka.
What Could Possibly Go Wr0ng
#7 - 2014-07-21 01:38:08 UTC
How about ads at those billboards at all the high sec and low sec gates? Might make them useful.
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#8 - 2014-07-21 03:18:51 UTC
S3ND3TH wrote:
How about ads at those billboards at all the high sec and low sec gates? Might make them useful.


Don't remember the last time I used those.

CCP can't condone one group over another, but there should be more notice. Ingame newspaper that prompts you to join a group, or shows a list of fleets currently available. Its difficult to do an advertising method as people would automatically attempt to abuse the mechanic (put up ads just to get people to join then immediately gank them, scam them, etc). While the tactic is fine, its purpose would not. It's like trying to weed through all the bad scam contracts in jita. Yes there are legitimate contracts there, but they are all covered by the spam/scam ones).

Yaay!!!!
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2014-07-21 04:30:58 UTC
Rebbeca Neresh wrote:
Christopher Tsutola wrote:
This is the kind of thing that needs to be left up to the community not to CCP the less CCP needs to get involved the better the game will do for itself. not saying new players wouldn't gain from hearing of these groups but that it needs to be up to the players in eve to spread info about them not CCP


I agree that the work of players to talk about players often yields much better work then CCP saying this exists, but imo a place where players can more easily get to channels and find information about these groups the better, ease of access in my opinion is something CCP can give us to come degree with a centralized location of information.


and having a place to find channel links would help people who hear a name and want to check it out would be invaluable in getting new blood.

The problem is though, the SECOND a player group appears on a "ccp approved" style list, it becomes near impossible to start your own group, because all the players who WANT to join one, or new players whoa re curious, woudl automatically go to the one that is most visible, because obviously they think it will be better/bigger, resulting in it actually becoming better/bigger, meaning more people would go to it rather than joining a smaller one.

you know, like nullsec.