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The point of sov nullsec?
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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2014-07-20 04:22:34 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
^^ Some interesting and rather unexpected answers from the fellows in Goonswarm..

It shouldn't be unexpected considering we've been saying this for years now.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-07-20 04:29:51 UTC
Arkady Romanov wrote:
The swarm thanks you for your ratting taxes, by the way.


How much real cash is the swarm leadership pulling in from farming half of EVE player base anyways?

Currently 1 billion is roughly 19$.

Goons are pulling in roughly what, 200-300 bil per month, after all expenses? Im probably way off on the low end too...

Thats 4,000 - 5,000 dollars to RMT, at a minimum... Not that much, but enough to give pocket money to a few dudes, amirite?
baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#23 - 2014-07-20 04:33:25 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Arkady Romanov wrote:
The swarm thanks you for your ratting taxes, by the way.


How much real cash is the swarm leadership pulling in from farming half of EVE player base anyways?

Currently 1 billion is roughly 19$.

Goons are pulling in roughly what, 200-300 bil per month, after all expenses? Im probably way off on the low end too...

Thats 4,000 - 5,000 dollars to RMT, at a minimum... Not that much, but enough to give pocket money to a few dudes, amirite?



Nothing. It gets spent on things like double srp, infrastructure, fuel, supplies and so on. CFC socialist benefits are not cheap.
Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
#24 - 2014-07-20 04:37:39 UTC
The real isk farmers have long abandoned null. If you really want to make money at highly ridiculous rates, check out cap escalations in C5 space.

That being said, it's also vastly more dangerous than sov null.
Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#25 - 2014-07-20 04:41:51 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Arkady Romanov wrote:
The swarm thanks you for your ratting taxes, by the way.


How much real cash is the swarm leadership pulling in from farming half of EVE player base anyways?

Currently 1 billion is roughly 19$.

Goons are pulling in roughly what, 200-300 bil per month, after all expenses? Im probably way off on the low end too...

Thats 4,000 - 5,000 dollars to RMT, at a minimum... Not that much, but enough to give pocket money to a few dudes, amirite?


zero. Swarm leadership all have real jobs, or in the case of the Mittani, trust funds supplemented by legitimate special interest websites.

Whole Squid: Get Inked.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#26 - 2014-07-20 04:52:39 UTC
Arkady Romanov wrote:
Dinsdale, one day, CCP might actually get around to having EVE organised in such a way that null is the ISK fountain for individuals you imagine it to be.

I want this to happen, so we can see what happens when all the nullsec players hang up their highsec alts and move back home.


You keep forgetting, I live in null sec for a decent period of time.
In a shiity alliance (FCON).
In ****** space (Pure Blind , at the low sec entrance, with I believe it was BL coming down the pipe from the NPC station)
During war with PL and DRF.

And I STILL made more ISK / hour than I can ever dream of in high sec.

Null sec has already started moving their high sec mfg alts to null, or shutting them down entirely, depending on the circumstances.
I can only pray that someday you move your griefing alts back as well, but you won't do that until there is no one left to grief in high.

And yeah, I play in high sec with a bunch of guys whose mains are in null. They do it because they are bored, and crave mature company, not because of the ISK.
Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-07-20 04:56:44 UTC
Solaine Talvanis wrote:
- Wormholes seem awfully complicated and high maintenance considering my limited play time each week.


Life in WS is not more complicated than anything else, and there's no SOV mafia.
About your limited playtime, it won't be a problem at all if you find the right corp who understand you.
And this is not only true for WS corps. In every aspects of the game there are corps who play EVE as a game instead of a second job and still are active and have a purpose.
Whatever you enjoy to do, the key will be : find the right corp for you, with like-minded people active in your playtime.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#28 - 2014-07-20 04:59:11 UTC
Dinsdale, considering how very hard you cried about Marauders being changed, you ought to know that there is nothing in the game that can consistently exceed the isk/hr of incursions.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#29 - 2014-07-20 05:17:25 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Dinsdale, considering how very hard you cried about Marauders being changed, you ought to know that there is nothing in the game that can consistently exceed the isk/hr of incursions.


Also the fact we figured out how to get null anom level income out of high sec level 3 missions in the last battleship teircide thread.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#30 - 2014-07-20 05:20:21 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Dinsdale, considering how very hard you cried about Marauders being changed, you ought to know that there is nothing in the game that can consistently exceed the isk/hr of incursions.


Also the fact we figured out how to get null anom level income out of high sec level 3 missions in the last battleship teircide thread.


But but but, random officer drops! Roll

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#31 - 2014-07-20 05:49:48 UTC
Solaine Talvanis wrote:
I've played for quite some time.. took a 1,5 year break from EvE and recently returned because.. there's nothing else really like it.

So at this point I'm considering what I should do..
- Wormholes seem awfully complicated and high maintenance considering my limited play time each week.
- I've tried factional warfare.. mass-paranoia and not alot of good fights to be found. Plus limited research tells me that the whole game has been rigged by LP-farmers anyway so.. what's the point.
- I've a nice lvl 4 setup in highsec I can use when needed to fund pvp, but other than an emergency ISK-faucet.. meh.
- NPC 0.0 seems barren.. can't really think of a reason to be there tbh.. and I've tried.

So.. I'm thinking sov 0.0. But when it comes to my gamestyle, I like playing in a way that'll make me ISK! at the end of the day.
Preferably more than I can make back in highsec. I know there's no PvP and noteworthy excitement to be had there.. but still.
Don't get me wrong, I like PVP, but not for the sole purpose of PVP (without there being some point to the fighting.

What're your reasons to live in sov 0.0, besides the fact that you get to shoot at..stuff , alot?
I left 0.0 around the time they changed the ways sanctums and those other "regular" anamolies work.
From the shouts, fire and smoke rising behind me as I left I gathered that few were pleased with the changes.. don't know how things currently are though..?

And I can't think of alliances sharing the wealth they pull from moons and such amongst their members, gently but ever so kindly feeding the hungry wallets of their underlings..
So what makes it attractive for me, as an individual to go out there and fight for other people who are making ISK(!)?

And yes, I'm honestly being serious.. give me your stories.. Smile



I will bet you crossed paths with some organizations that are die-hard neckbeards and it's "all for the corp or GTFO".

Some will be like that, others will not.

Nullsec SOV holders and renter corps are like a box of Forrest Gump Chocolates.



Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#32 - 2014-07-20 06:09:54 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
OP if you want to make isk stick with high sec and just visit low and null. You will make more isk with less effort and it is rather easy to access pvp in all areas.

Null is just empire building for the sake of empire building with no real rewards for the average line member although this is starting to change for the better with the industry changes.


I can imagine that people that were going to do stuff like that are already in null doing it.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#33 - 2014-07-20 06:21:20 UTC
Lots of half truths in this thread.

I'd take what people post here with a cup salt.

The goons moaning in this thread? In other threads they boast of their double SRP program. That isk comes from somewhere. There are entire regions filled with afk ishtars ratting each day, every day. Renters pay quite a bit for that very same privilege from the likes of PL, N3, and the CFC. And the massive super fleets of those entities? Paid for from the pockets of nullsec alliances and subsidized to their members. And that money too came from somewhere. There's more than one way that isk makes it to a line-member's pockets.

Judging from the past few days, there seems to be some effort from certain parties to portray nullsec as the land of the poors here on the forums when a simple reality check will reveal that is simply not the case.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#34 - 2014-07-20 06:29:30 UTC
Profiting off of other people's hard work doesn't really mean that nullsec is the best individual income available.

I attribute that to their organization, not any inherent viability of living in nullsec. In fact the sheer organization required to be successful in nullsec points to the opposite.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#35 - 2014-07-20 07:01:39 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Profiting off of other people's hard work doesn't really mean that nullsec is the best individual income available.

I attribute that to their organization, not any inherent viability of living in nullsec. In fact the sheer organization required to be successful in nullsec points to the opposite.

All the organization in the world won't let you conjure isk out of thin air. Nor will it convince others (e.g. renters) to part from the proceeds of the (figurative) sweat of their brow; they'll want tangible gains in exchange. All the money that went into double SRPs, subsidizing hundreds upon hundreds of supers/titans came from somewhere.

People don't rent because they like giving their isk to Uncle Mittani, they rent because after expenses they still make far more in sov than they do in hisec. People don't fill entire regions with ratting ishtars and carriers because shooting red crosses is fun, they do it because it brings in the isk.

You can say "profit off other people's work" all you want, but at the end of the day someone had to collect that bounty, mine that arkonor, and harvest that goo. All that money came from individuals, individuals that reside in nullsec.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#36 - 2014-07-20 07:15:08 UTC
No one said that you can't make money there.

They're saying that highsec is better because, when you're doing it right, you can achieve an excellent income with near perfect safety. No afk cloakers, no cynos, no bubbles, no roaming interceptor gangs.

They rent out swathes of nullsec because they'd rather have someone else making money for them. Why anyone rents, I don't know. I wouldn't.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2014-07-20 07:19:54 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Judging from the past few days, there seems to be some effort from certain parties to portray nullsec as the land of the poors here on the forums when a simple reality check will reveal that is simply not the case.

Somebody should mention the sick amount of isk some of us are making running missions out of your 'home' station.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#38 - 2014-07-20 07:41:02 UTC
Rhes wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Judging from the past few days, there seems to be some effort from certain parties to portray nullsec as the land of the poors here on the forums when a simple reality check will reveal that is simply not the case.

Somebody should mention the sick amount of isk some of us are making running missions out of your 'home' station.

Imagine all the isk we made when Kronos hit. Our dudes had literally months to get all that LP, and then got ridiculous isk/lp conversion out of it. By the time we left 5zxx for deployment, the market had saturated quite a bit. Blink

Still, enjoy it while it lasts, we won't be on deployment forever. Cool
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#39 - 2014-07-20 07:47:05 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
But but but, random officer drops! Roll


you run anoms for escalations not officer drops just f.y.i.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#40 - 2014-07-20 07:48:14 UTC
Andski wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
But but but, random officer drops! Roll


you run anoms for escalations not officer drops just f.y.i.


Yes, I am aware of this. Infinity Ziona on the other hand was not. Hence his assertion that you could make 500 mil per hour or whatever lie he made up in that threadnaught.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.