Ships & Modules

If you were flying a frigate against a MWD-cruiser... why would you run at all? Scram and orbit @ 500m

switch to fed navy antimatter, primary his drones with warrior ii's/hob ii's and your guns, apply cap pressure with neut to try and shut down the web?. after the drones switch to void and primary his ship. if you engage as a frigate or assault frigate pilot, you're committed.

*webs and neuts are the frigate solution but they're not considered as often as they should be.

I have the ship for you. It's a Comet. It is Honour Comet.



Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

1MN Afterburner II
Medium Shield Extender II
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
[Empty High slot]

Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I

Hobgoblin II x3

DPS 348 Void
8.38k ehp
1679 m/s

It melts most stuff so fast they can't warp out in time. No matter how pro they think they are. (well, 4 out of 5 times in my experience)

Great fights can be had against dessys or multiple opponents as you are thought to be weaker than you are. Dessy fights are close but gets your blood pumping so hard you don't care if you lose. They'll still be in structure.

I tend to swap a cdfe for a thermal rig for better resists against antimatter. run genolutions or a cpu implant to get a t2 dcu on.


So much fun I've had in this.

Are you even playing the same game?

He has a valid point, if a MWD cruiser catches an AB frigate a decent distance from scram range (>15km) and can hit out to that range, the frig is screwed, only the fastest ab frigs with snakes (or a Succubus) can catch an MWD Cruiser and you'll be taking alot of damage on the approach that even if you do catch em you might still die. An MWD Frigate can easily catch a Cruiser and get under its guns though.

So would it be a good idea to carry some Quake with this also? Closer range ammo, 4k - 10k, little better tracking. For a just in case.

You are correct for the most part, never orbit use keep at range however the rigs are not an issue because the speed advantage gained by webbing your target twice massively exceeds the speed you lost by fitting two resist rigs. Even with the resist rigs you can keep range on almost anything within scram range so things shouldn't be inside of 4 km against you and using Quake at 8500m will result in some lost damage to falloff. Keep in mind also that I posted this before drones were changed when only warriors and hobgoblins were of any use and I did say in the first post that in most cases I would fit an anti-thermal rig instead of the anti-kinetic. So I frequently fitted an anti-explosive and anti-thermal rig because any damage you take from short range fits frequently comes in the form of drones and those two rigs gives a strong resist profile against anything that would be launched against you at the time of the first post. The extra rep power is more useful now than before and worth considering since it leaves you less at the mercy of your ability to guess correctly the damage type you will face. That being said you need at least decent skills in regards to advanced weapon upgrades and armor rigging or you will run into PG issues with full rep rigs (both skills to 4 is sufficient) and fitting a weapon rig with two armor rep rigs requires advanced weapon upgrades 5 and armor rigging 5 with weapon rigging 4 absolute minimum or you'll need a PG implant.

As for the webs, meta 4 runs into fitting issues with CPU requiring a 1% CPU implant or a downgrade in the fit, downgrading the scram is not advisable since you want to operate near the edge of its range as is, which leaves you to downgrade the Damage Control II to and IFFA which costs almost as much as the hull. In the interest of keeping the fit cheap and implant free I posted one that didn't require anything but skills and a light wallet and a clean clone as even upgrading one web puts you over on CPU. The option to upgrade the webs is certainly viable, just up to you how much you want to spend for what I feel is a very small upgrade when considering the lost tank. In either event a rail comet will eat this fit alive as it has better dps AND tank although you can beat blaster comets so a comet on scan is not necessarily a no-go. If you are fighting a rail comet overheat your webs and get out of there.

As for the ammo, you won't need the tracking of Quake, you have a tracking bonus as is and with two webs and keep at range your target will have horrible transversal, you'll be fine without it. If you need to fire beyond scram range Tremor will cause you to fail to hit because of the tracking penalty so don't carry that at all. Depleted Uranium/Titanium Sabot are your best bet for hitting longer range ships as those kinds of kiters often don't need to be hit too hard to be driven off or killed and their 20% tracking bonus will help a lot.

Perfect, so do I.

There are others however who do not, which is why I gave the fit I did and the fit is now slightly dated although still good. Since the thread was begun by someone asking for frigate fits (where most PvP careers begin) I was assuming potentially low SP and low wallet balance, so I tried to steer clear of giving fits that require the stuff I tend to use. It's much easier to take a serviceable baseline fit and improve it with implants and modules than it is to take a fit that uses implants and expensive things and try to bring it down to what you can afford while maintaining its effectiveness.

Besides the golden rule of weapons trading is never get shot with a gun you sold someone else. You don't want to give away the best possible iteration of a fit you give out to a random person lest you have to fight it.

Your input was good and perhaps my initial post could have been better had I included the upgrades which could be made without going overboard.

+1 for the Incursus/Ishkur.

I've been flying a dual rep Incursus for the past few weeks now and have been falling in love with it. Granted, it has it's downsides and there are certainly places that I wouldn't take it, (I'm always very careful taking it into fights with other frigs and have lost a couple now due to being blobbed), but in my humble opinion the real strength of this ship, and even more-so the ishkur, lies in it's ability to kill things that are larger than itself.


[Incursus]

[Highs]
Ion Blaster II
Ion Blaster II
Ion Blaster II

[Mids]
1mn AB II
Warp Scram II
Small Cap Booster II

[Lows]
Small Armor Rep II
Small Armor Rep II
DCU II
Magnetic Field Stab II

[Rigs]
Small Auxilliary Nano Pump I
Small Auxilliary Nano Pump I
Small Anti-Explosive Pump I

[Cargo]
1 x Hobgoblin II
12 x Navy Cap Booster 400
Null, Void and AM charges to taste

SAAR's are great for burst tanks, but once your 8 pasted cycles are used up you need to reload, you're gonna be going a full 60 seconds with only 1 rep running. That simply doesn't cut it when you're trying to tank a Domi running missions with bonused drones and the rats have aggro'd you as well. I've found that the dual T2 reps are much more reliable than 1 T2 and 1 SAAR.

This is certainly not a fit i'd be taking anywhere near solo LS FW, but as a cheap HS bear-murdering platorm that can steal the virginity of most things cruiser and up or at least keep them hogtied until bros get there, It's certainly the most viable ship I know of at ~ 11 mil isk.

Tell ya what... Get in a condor, slicer, or Inty and jump in against me in a FW outpost.... I'll show you how dead wrong you are in just my trusty Atron (pun intended). I've gotten more "How the ****!?" Moments out of guys who think they can get past me by preheated MWD. The only way this works is with links and Snake implants, due to the server tick dynamic.

First, trying to maneuver away from me is utterly pointless, it only slows you down and keeps you in my scram range longer. Best you can hope for is to burn straight ahead and pray you build up enough speed to coast out of scram range before I close distance.

Second, trying to maneuver against the aggressor while defending has exactly the same problem, and worse yet if they land slightly behind and accelerate opposite the direction of your approach, they will definitely coast out of scram range, if you lock in time at all.

Third, overheating a prop mod gives a bonus to top speed but not to thrust value, so you don't ACCELERATE any faster overheated. Even a nano-frigate will be hard pressed to reach top speed on the first cycle, which means you're wasting a cycle of overheat.

On warp in, you land at a randomized spot within a 3-4km sphere around the beacon. Sitting 3-5km -behind- the beacon, meaning between the beacon and the acceleration gate, offers a cone of probability ahead of you rather than a sphere all around you, thus removing variables. Again, the momentum carried from behind increases the likelihood of locking a scram before the opponent is able to accelerate away. If they try to turn in a perpendicular direction, they're further screwed.

Good luck!