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Best Solo PvP Frigate Brawler Fits
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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#21 - 2014-07-21 14:55:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Maeltstome wrote:
Hadrian Blackstone wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
The iskur can hit 300 dps with t2 blasters and drones, it's a funny little ship.


More than that...


Anyways. To answer OP's question. Give 'em the D


With 4 magstabs, void and 0% effective combat ability...

OP: Look at the Atron. It has a solid slot layout and you'll learn a good chunk about brawling.

Eventually you want a daredevil. Best brawling frigate in the game.

EDIT*

For the love of god, why Faction Wars made fitting AB's to POINT BLANK RANGE FRIGATES an acceptable thing i'll never understand.

"Hurr durr, i have the shortest range weapons in the game... Guess I'll fit an AB and hope my opponent doesn't have an MWD"

Someone being rather aware of their Sig radius, and going after cruisers and up rather than other frigates, I suppose I should quality the fit by mentioning its used with a full halo set.

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Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#22 - 2014-07-24 11:22:17 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:
Hadrian Blackstone wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
The iskur can hit 300 dps with t2 blasters and drones, it's a funny little ship.


More than that...


Anyways. To answer OP's question. Give 'em the D


With 4 magstabs, void and 0% effective combat ability...

OP: Look at the Atron. It has a solid slot layout and you'll learn a good chunk about brawling.

Eventually you want a daredevil. Best brawling frigate in the game.

EDIT*

For the love of god, why Faction Wars made fitting AB's to POINT BLANK RANGE FRIGATES an acceptable thing i'll never understand.

"Hurr durr, i have the shortest range weapons in the game... Guess I'll fit an AB and hope my opponent doesn't have an MWD"

Someone being rather aware of their Sig radius, and going after cruisers and up rather than other frigates, I suppose I should quality the fit by mentioning its used with a full halo set.


Except cruisers fit microwarps and will catch you with an AB fit. Or will outrun you. Or will blob you with medium drones that you can't get away from.

Then we look at the tracking equation and realist that 1200-1400m/s -> 3500m/s is a bigger reduction in hit chance than 40m -> 120m sig radius.

Now in real terms we can look at these AB fits and realise that the difference in speed means more time spent flying *directly away* from cruisers. Despite your tiny sig, your relative speed is 0 when you are crawling away from a cruisers with your AB on, desperately trying to stay out of tackle range.

Finally that Halo set: Really? Buy some snakes. Halo's are most effective on cruisers (especially the ScyFi). The speed on snakes makes frigate much more dangerous. Hell, snakes and AB might mean you don't get caught by MWD'ing crusers.

AB's are for scram-kiting ships with a TD equipped, flown by terrible pilots who thing pressing 'keep at range' is hard. **** fit cruiser with bad pilot will die to frigates regardless of what they have equipped. Dual Prop serves a prupose and would have a better chance against a cruiser than a single AB.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#23 - 2014-07-25 12:26:01 UTC
Afterburner is hugely relevant in lowsec. But please, bring your MWD brawling frigate for a visit to show us how it is done. I would love to fight you.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Garresh
Mackies Raiders
Wild Geese.
#24 - 2014-07-26 03:51:38 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Afterburner is hugely relevant in lowsec. But please, bring your MWD brawling frigate for a visit to show us how it is done. I would love to fight you.


Honestly, just ignore him Zappity. This is the same guy that advocates flying an arti-wolf with a short-range scram so that it will be cap stable.

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Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2014-07-26 08:39:23 UTC
Garresh wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Afterburner is hugely relevant in lowsec. But please, bring your MWD brawling frigate for a visit to show us how it is done. I would love to fight you.


Honestly, just ignore him Zappity. This is the same guy that advocates flying an arti-wolf with a short-range scram so that it will be cap stable.


tbh show me a brawler fit with mwd who could catch kiters. In my experience brawlers are always slower than kiters so either u get them with web and scramb at the beginning or you r screwed either way (ignoring their screwup).
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#26 - 2014-07-26 09:05:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Zappity
Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:
Garresh wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Afterburner is hugely relevant in lowsec. But please, bring your MWD brawling frigate for a visit to show us how it is done. I would love to fight you.


Honestly, just ignore him Zappity. This is the same guy that advocates flying an arti-wolf with a short-range scram so that it will be cap stable.


tbh show me a brawler fit with mwd who could catch kiters. In my experience brawlers are always slower than kiters so either u get them with web and scramb at the beginning or you r screwed either way (ignoring their screwup).

There's one here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3756635#post3756635

MWD brawler fits that can catch nano frigates is easy because of slingshot. The problem is that they are utterly useless for everything else (in lowsec). You will die as soon as an afterburner fit catches you because you have zero range control.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#27 - 2014-07-26 11:36:42 UTC
Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:
Garresh wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Afterburner is hugely relevant in lowsec. But please, bring your MWD brawling frigate for a visit to show us how it is done. I would love to fight you.


Honestly, just ignore him Zappity. This is the same guy that advocates flying an arti-wolf with a short-range scram so that it will be cap stable.


tbh show me a brawler fit with mwd who could catch kiters. In my experience brawlers are always slower than kiters so either u get them with web and scramb at the beginning or you r screwed either way (ignoring their screwup).


Slingshot?

Oh god.
Horus H'kaan
Grand Theft Enyo
#28 - 2014-07-27 20:17:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Horus H'kaan
Jeanne-Luise, may I present The Slingshot:

Imagine you're in a MWD Brawler Frigate. You're currently long pointed by a kiting fit. If you gun it towards him, you probably won't catch him. So instead, you head off at full tilt directly away from him. Not wanting to lose his point on you, he'll likely begin to approach at high speed rather than orbit you. Once you see that's the case, you quickly disengage your MWD to gain agility, approach him, and hit your MWD again. The aim is to snap back towards the target and hopefully end up inside scram range before he reacts and pulls away. You'll probably get a few chances to attempt this during a 1v1 engagement seeing as kiters have relatively low dps and brawlers tend to pack a good solid tank.

I'm sure there are more subtle tricks to it but that's the basic maneuvre.

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Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2014-07-28 15:40:00 UTC
some of my favourite posters have posted in this thread.

zappity, ralph and riot girl we should all get together sometime and blow stuff up. provided were not red to each other lol. Roll

anyways for my contribution to the thread:

Tormentor - slow and steady
Damage Control II
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Heat Sink II

1MN Afterburner II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Gatling Pulse Laser II
Gatling Pulse Laser II
Gatling Pulse Laser II

Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I

dont forget ur drone

this ones slow but with close to 9k ehp can really take a hammering - if u want faster: lose the plate add a repper and upgrade the guns to dual lights , oh and change rigs so u dont lose speed. 2 aux nano pumps and a collision accelerator shud do.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#30 - 2014-07-28 17:17:01 UTC
Bastion Arzi wrote:
some of my favourite posters have posted in this thread.

zappity, ralph and riot girl we should all get together sometime and blow stuff up. provided were not red to each other lol. Roll

anyways for my contribution to the thread:

Tormentor - slow and steady
Damage Control II
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Heat Sink II

1MN Afterburner II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Gatling Pulse Laser II
Gatling Pulse Laser II
Gatling Pulse Laser II

Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I

dont forget ur drone

this ones slow but with close to 9k ehp can really take a hammering - if u want faster: lose the plate add a repper and upgrade the guns to dual lights , oh and change rigs so u dont lose speed. 2 aux nano pumps and a collision accelerator shud do.




Purple covers all
(assuming you have UNfucked your overview)
I'd be up for a low sec roam (null if someone can get the Intel channels)

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Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#31 - 2014-07-28 18:15:41 UTC
Confirming I would like to see even more MWD+Blaster boats that don't ever expect to see an AB+Scram+Web

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Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2014-07-28 18:25:27 UTC
Horus H'kaan wrote:
Jeanne-Luise, may I present The Slingshot:

Imagine you're in a MWD Brawler Frigate. You're currently long pointed by a kiting fit. If you gun it towards him, you probably won't catch him. So instead, you head off at full tilt directly away from him. Not wanting to lose his point on you, he'll likely begin to approach at high speed rather than orbit you. Once you see that's the case, you quickly disengage your MWD to gain agility, approach him, and hit your MWD again. The aim is to snap back towards the target and hopefully end up inside scram range before he reacts and pulls away. You'll probably get a few chances to attempt this during a 1v1 engagement seeing as kiters have relatively low dps and brawlers tend to pack a good solid tank.

I'm sure there are more subtle tricks to it but that's the basic maneuvre.


done that, still died to kiters as they reacted to fast (near misses all the time)
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#33 - 2014-07-28 18:35:53 UTC
Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:
Horus H'kaan wrote:
Jeanne-Luise, may I present The Slingshot:

Imagine you're in a MWD Brawler Frigate. You're currently long pointed by a kiting fit. If you gun it towards him, you probably won't catch him. So instead, you head off at full tilt directly away from him. Not wanting to lose his point on you, he'll likely begin to approach at high speed rather than orbit you. Once you see that's the case, you quickly disengage your MWD to gain agility, approach him, and hit your MWD again. The aim is to snap back towards the target and hopefully end up inside scram range before he reacts and pulls away. You'll probably get a few chances to attempt this during a 1v1 engagement seeing as kiters have relatively low dps and brawlers tend to pack a good solid tank.

I'm sure there are more subtle tricks to it but that's the basic maneuvre.


done that, still died to kiters as they reacted to fast (near misses all the time)

Moar practice!

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Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2014-07-28 20:19:28 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:
Horus H'kaan wrote:
Jeanne-Luise, may I present The Slingshot:

Imagine you're in a MWD Brawler Frigate. You're currently long pointed by a kiting fit. If you gun it towards him, you probably won't catch him. So instead, you head off at full tilt directly away from him. Not wanting to lose his point on you, he'll likely begin to approach at high speed rather than orbit you. Once you see that's the case, you quickly disengage your MWD to gain agility, approach him, and hit your MWD again. The aim is to snap back towards the target and hopefully end up inside scram range before he reacts and pulls away. You'll probably get a few chances to attempt this during a 1v1 engagement seeing as kiters have relatively low dps and brawlers tend to pack a good solid tank.

I'm sure there are more subtle tricks to it but that's the basic maneuvre.


done that, still died to kiters as they reacted to fast (near misses all the time)

Moar practice!

cant rl issues
Garresh
Mackies Raiders
Wild Geese.
#35 - 2014-07-28 21:28:00 UTC
Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:
Horus H'kaan wrote:
Jeanne-Luise, may I present The Slingshot:

Imagine you're in a MWD Brawler Frigate. You're currently long pointed by a kiting fit. If you gun it towards him, you probably won't catch him. So instead, you head off at full tilt directly away from him. Not wanting to lose his point on you, he'll likely begin to approach at high speed rather than orbit you. Once you see that's the case, you quickly disengage your MWD to gain agility, approach him, and hit your MWD again. The aim is to snap back towards the target and hopefully end up inside scram range before he reacts and pulls away. You'll probably get a few chances to attempt this during a 1v1 engagement seeing as kiters have relatively low dps and brawlers tend to pack a good solid tank.

I'm sure there are more subtle tricks to it but that's the basic maneuvre.


done that, still died to kiters as they reacted to fast (near misses all the time)



Then you were either outflown or they were probably linked. Don't take that as an insult though. Been PvPing for years on and off and I still struggle with long point kiting and slingshotting vs it. Its definitely more difficult to control range when you're outside of web range. That said, I have seen good players pull it off. If all else fails just run an edge of scram kiter so you can chase off longkiters haha.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#36 - 2014-07-29 00:58:05 UTC
Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:
Horus H'kaan wrote:
Jeanne-Luise, may I present The Slingshot:

Imagine you're in a MWD Brawler Frigate. You're currently long pointed by a kiting fit. If you gun it towards him, you probably won't catch him. So instead, you head off at full tilt directly away from him. Not wanting to lose his point on you, he'll likely begin to approach at high speed rather than orbit you. Once you see that's the case, you quickly disengage your MWD to gain agility, approach him, and hit your MWD again. The aim is to snap back towards the target and hopefully end up inside scram range before he reacts and pulls away. You'll probably get a few chances to attempt this during a 1v1 engagement seeing as kiters have relatively low dps and brawlers tend to pack a good solid tank.

I'm sure there are more subtle tricks to it but that's the basic maneuvre.


done that, still died to kiters as they reacted to fast (near misses all the time)

Moar practice!

cant rl issues

Oh well then.

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NIFTYGetAtMe
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-07-29 20:58:17 UTC
Tristan, Atron, Harpy, Hawk, Merlin, Kestrel, Condor. All good choices. There really isn't a "best" ship, as frigs are pretty much balanced out now.
Valkin Mordirc
#38 - 2014-07-30 03:02:35 UTC
If you're looking for something a little more expensive, the Worm is pretty crazy, it gets 300+ DPS with a 10k buffer.

High Slots
Rocket launcher II x3

Mid slots
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Extender (Can be switch to a T2 if you have 1% CPU implant)
1mn Afterburner II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Faint Warp disruptor I

Lows
DCU II
DDA II x2

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Mater O'Prome
Doomheim
#39 - 2014-07-30 12:38:57 UTC
I'm a face-to-face brawler myself in factional warfare and i prefer raw dps and maximizing speed to keep up with the kiters as they jump at 0 in plexes. This way,my fit that works well for me is this:

FedCom [Federation Navy Comet]

Highs:
  • Light Ion Blaster II [Void S]
  • Empty Slot
  • Light Ion Blaster II [Void S]

Mids:
  • 1MN Afterburner II
  • Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
  • X5 Prototype Engine Enervator

Lows:
  • Damage Control II
  • 200mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
  • Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
  • Small Ancillary Armor Repairer [Nanite Repair Paste]

Rigs:
  • Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
  • Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I

Drones:
  • 3x Hobgoblin II
  • 3x Hornet EC-300

Stats:
  • ~5200 ehp
  • 214 + 54 = 268 dps [300dps with overheat]
  • 1185 m/s [1543 m/s with overheat]


Ions because of fitting boundaries, ECM drones if somehow a kiter get out of range or tackle me at warpin gate. Guns are overheated all the time,AB is overheated until i can keep 1-2kms. In plexes,it has been successfully used as a solo ship against a lot of frigs & destros. Even Worm,Garmur,Moa. So have fun! :)
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
New Eden Tech Support
#40 - 2014-07-31 02:11:23 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
Hadrian Blackstone wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
The iskur can hit 300 dps with t2 blasters and drones, it's a funny little ship.


More than that...


Anyways. To answer OP's question. Give 'em the D


With 4 magstabs, void and 0% effective combat ability...

OP: Look at the Atron. It has a solid slot layout and you'll learn a good chunk about brawling.

Eventually you want a daredevil. Best brawling frigate in the game.

EDIT*

For the love of god, why Faction Wars made fitting AB's to POINT BLANK RANGE FRIGATES an acceptable thing i'll never understand.

"Hurr durr, i have the shortest range weapons in the game... Guess I'll fit an AB and hope my opponent doesn't have an MWD"


You're wrong about the Ishkur. The upside to fitting an afterburner is that you can keep high transversal if you get scram'ed ... and the Daredevil is paper thin. ???

Thank me later :D