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Capital ships question.

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Trajanus Caesar
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-07-19 05:20:40 UTC
Are Dreadnoughts, Carriers, and Titans T1 ships? The supercarriers I was assuming to be T2 versions of Carriers.

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Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#2 - 2014-07-19 06:28:27 UTC
T2 is defined as a ship that requires a specialized skill and the ship class skill at level 5

Example:
Prospect needs Expedition Frigate 1 and Mining Frigate 5

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Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-07-19 07:55:10 UTC
Trajanus Caesar wrote:
Are Dreadnoughts, Carriers, and Titans T1 ships? The supercarriers I was assuming to be T2 versions of Carriers.


They are all T1 ships with different stats and usage.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-07-19 08:41:32 UTC
Trajanus Caesar wrote:
Are Dreadnoughts, Carriers, and Titans T1 ships? The supercarriers I was assuming to be T2 versions of Carriers.



They are all T1

Easy solution to check, look up a supercarrier and it will lack the T2 chevron on the corner of the "item".


A supercarrier was a tier 3 carrier until the overhaul.

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Nalelmir Ahashion
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#5 - 2014-07-19 09:44:19 UTC
Posting in stealth T2 titans thread.
Kidding.

you can recognize if ship is:
T1: only image
T2: small triangle with "II" on the corner of the image
T3: Small triangle with "III" on the corner of the image.
T4: TBA in unknown future.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#6 - 2014-07-19 17:06:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Trajanus Caesar wrote:
Are Dreadnoughts, Carriers, and Titans T1 ships? The supercarriers I was assuming to be T2 versions of Carriers.

Yes, those are all T1. T2 ships have blueprint copies (BPC) that can be obtained through invention. T3 ships have BPC that are only obtained through reverse engineering Sleeper artifacts.

There is only one T2 capital hull-class, jump freighters: Rhea, Anshar, Ark, Nomad. Jump freighters cost so much because they are primarily made of moon-derived materials.
Trajanus Caesar
Doomheim
#7 - 2014-07-19 17:21:18 UTC
Thank you everyone. A little more knowledge garnered this day.

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"I came, I saw, I conquered."

ISD Cyberdyne
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ISD Alliance
#8 - 2014-07-20 17:14:05 UTC
Trajanus Caesar wrote:
Thank you everyone. A little more knowledge garnered this day.

Very good question. Glad that fellow players provided such good support and answers. I'm curious, do you have any particular goals toward Capitals and Super Capitals? I've always said that if I could have any one ship, I'd end up choosing the Nyx. Very beautiful ship.

And remember what Nalelmir said regarding how to recognize Tech level of a ship or item.

Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
you can recognize if ship is:
T1: only image
T2: small triangle with "II" on the corner of the image
T3: Small triangle with "III" on the corner of the image.

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William Ruben
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-07-20 17:25:07 UTC
I'm curious why you would pick the Nyx (sharp looks aside)? It seems to me, just hitting 3 million SP, to be really limited in its uses. At this point if I could only fly a single ship I'd probably pick the Proteus, since it can do pretty much everything (including dock). And it looks ok too.
ISD Cyberdyne
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ISD Alliance
#10 - 2014-07-20 17:38:56 UTC
Sharp looks aside, I'm not sure. I just find the model really appealing. (Using one's imagination, place yourself in the re-imagined BSG series, but instead of Galactica, you are flying a Nyx. This is immediately a better looking show.) :P


The Proteus is also a wonderful ship, although some variations of less than appealing in my humble opinion.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-07-20 18:04:44 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
Posting in stealth T2 titans thread.
Kidding.

you can recognize if ship is:
T1: only image
T2: small triangle with "II" on the corner of the image
T3: Small triangle with "III" on the corner of the image.
T4: TBA in unknown future.


Faction: small triangle with a green star in the corner of the image.

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Trajanus Caesar
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-07-20 19:10:37 UTC
ISD Cyberdyne wrote:
Trajanus Caesar wrote:
Thank you everyone. A little more knowledge garnered this day.

Very good question. Glad that fellow players provided such good support and answers. I'm curious, do you have any particular goals toward Capitals and Super Capitals? I've always said that if I could have any one ship, I'd end up choosing the Nyx. Very beautiful ship.

And remember what Nalelmir said regarding how to recognize Tech level of a ship or item.

Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
you can recognize if ship is:
T1: only image
T2: small triangle with "II" on the corner of the image
T3: Small triangle with "III" on the corner of the image.


The reason I asked this question is I was reading a section about Amarr T1 Ships 101. And Dreadnoughts, Carriers, and Titans were not included even though in-game (ISIS) these ships have no markings (or color variations) like T1 vessels.

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"I came, I saw, I conquered."

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#13 - 2014-07-21 03:07:11 UTC
Trajanus Caesar wrote:
ISD Cyberdyne wrote:
Trajanus Caesar wrote:
Thank you everyone. A little more knowledge garnered this day.

Very good question. Glad that fellow players provided such good support and answers. I'm curious, do you have any particular goals toward Capitals and Super Capitals? I've always said that if I could have any one ship, I'd end up choosing the Nyx. Very beautiful ship.

And remember what Nalelmir said regarding how to recognize Tech level of a ship or item.

Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
you can recognize if ship is:
T1: only image
T2: small triangle with "II" on the corner of the image
T3: Small triangle with "III" on the corner of the image.


The reason I asked this question is I was reading a section about Amarr T1 Ships 101. And Dreadnoughts, Carriers, and Titans were not included even though in-game (ISIS) these ships have no markings (or color variations) like T1 vessels.



Capital ships aren't going to be in a 101 course on T1 ships.

They are extremely specialised, and do not obey the same rules as subcaps.

I feel pedantic answering the original question because while it is true that carriers are tech 1, it's a really misleading answer as carriers are more expensive and more narrowly useful that most tech 2 ships.

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Trajanus Caesar
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-07-21 03:13:16 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Trajanus Caesar wrote:
ISD Cyberdyne wrote:
Trajanus Caesar wrote:
Thank you everyone. A little more knowledge garnered this day.

Very good question. Glad that fellow players provided such good support and answers. I'm curious, do you have any particular goals toward Capitals and Super Capitals? I've always said that if I could have any one ship, I'd end up choosing the Nyx. Very beautiful ship.

And remember what Nalelmir said regarding how to recognize Tech level of a ship or item.

Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
you can recognize if ship is:
T1: only image
T2: small triangle with "II" on the corner of the image
T3: Small triangle with "III" on the corner of the image.


The reason I asked this question is I was reading a section about Amarr T1 Ships 101. And Dreadnoughts, Carriers, and Titans were not included even though in-game (ISIS) these ships have no markings (or color variations) like T1 vessels.



Capital ships aren't going to be in a 101 course on T1 ships.

They are extremely specialised, and do not obey the same rules as subcaps.

I feel pedantic answering the original question because while it is true that carriers are tech 1, it's a really misleading answer as carriers are more expensive and more narrowly useful that most tech 2 ships.


So is it suffice to say that these ships are in a sort of "Unspoken Tier" where its T1, Faction, T2, T3, Capital?

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#15 - 2014-07-21 03:45:03 UTC
Trajanus Caesar wrote:
So is it suffice to say that these ships are in a sort of "Unspoken Tier" where its T1, Faction, T2, T3, Capital?

You could state that, but there are many ways to breakdown all the ships.

Example, there are three major categories: sub-caps, caps, and super-caps.

If someone is talking about T1, T2, T3, Faction (Navy, Pirate), etc., it is assumed sub-cap.

For what it is worth, medium-sized hulls are by far the largest class of ships in EVE.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#16 - 2014-07-21 04:40:26 UTC
Trajanus Caesar wrote:

So is it suffice to say that these ships are in a sort of "Unspoken Tier" where its T1, Faction, T2, T3, Capital?



I don't think that's particularly useful.

If you look at tech 1 and faction and tech 2 ships, you'll find there are some 'progression' paths - example, you have the Vexor, then the Vexor Navy Issue which is similar but better, and then the Ishtar, which is a higher priced, higher performance version of the Vexor.

Then there are ships that just do totally different things altogether, like the Phobos, which is not a 'high performance Thorax' - it's a totally different ship that is used to prevent supercapital ships (and sometimes subcaps) from escaping combat.

Capital ships fit into the 'totally different to other ships' category. If you want a structure dead fast, nothing does the job like a Dreadnaught, but the same dread is a waste of space (and a sitting duck) in a small fleet engagement where your opponents are fielding a logistics ship and a few cruisers.

Don't think 'higher tier is better'. Think of a toolkit - a power drill is an expensive and very useful tool, but sometimes what you need is a hammer. In this analogy, a dreadnought is an extremely expensive Geiger counter - it's not a high performance hammer, it's a very effective, very situational tool that many people will never use.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-07-21 08:53:44 UTC
Trajanus Caesar wrote:
ISD Cyberdyne wrote:
Trajanus Caesar wrote:
Thank you everyone. A little more knowledge garnered this day.

Very good question. Glad that fellow players provided such good support and answers. I'm curious, do you have any particular goals toward Capitals and Super Capitals? I've always said that if I could have any one ship, I'd end up choosing the Nyx. Very beautiful ship.

And remember what Nalelmir said regarding how to recognize Tech level of a ship or item.

Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
you can recognize if ship is:
T1: only image
T2: small triangle with "II" on the corner of the image
T3: Small triangle with "III" on the corner of the image.


The reason I asked this question is I was reading a section about Amarr T1 Ships 101. And Dreadnoughts, Carriers, and Titans were not included even though in-game (ISIS) these ships have no markings (or color variations) like T1 vessels.


Because the 101 means that it is made as an introduction / basic stuff about T1 ships.

ANY capital is no longer a basic ship but already a specialization in itself because of the game mechanics involved & skills needed to fly one properly.

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Trajanus Caesar
Doomheim
#18 - 2014-07-22 23:58:12 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Trajanus Caesar wrote:

So is it suffice to say that these ships are in a sort of "Unspoken Tier" where its T1, Faction, T2, T3, Capital?



I don't think that's particularly useful.

If you look at tech 1 and faction and tech 2 ships, you'll find there are some 'progression' paths - example, you have the Vexor, then the Vexor Navy Issue which is similar but better, and then the Ishtar, which is a higher priced, higher performance version of the Vexor.

Then there are ships that just do totally different things altogether, like the Phobos, which is not a 'high performance Thorax' - it's a totally different ship that is used to prevent supercapital ships (and sometimes subcaps) from escaping combat.

Capital ships fit into the 'totally different to other ships' category. If you want a structure dead fast, nothing does the job like a Dreadnaught, but the same dread is a waste of space (and a sitting duck) in a small fleet engagement where your opponents are fielding a logistics ship and a few cruisers.

Don't think 'higher tier is better'. Think of a toolkit - a power drill is an expensive and very useful tool, but sometimes what you need is a hammer. In this analogy, a dreadnought is an extremely expensive Geiger counter - it's not a high performance hammer, it's a very effective, very situational tool that many people will never use.


Interesting. So what would faction ships, specifically Amarr Navy Issue (all of them), fall under toolkit wise? They seem to focus on DPS only, with the a slicer still being a good tackler/webber. The Augor lost its logistic bonuses so I guess that's a straight up tank now or is it still used as a logi?

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#19 - 2014-07-23 00:45:04 UTC
Trajanus Caesar wrote:
Interesting. So what would faction ships, specifically Amarr Navy Issue (all of them), fall under toolkit wise? They seem to focus on DPS only, with the a slicer still being a good tackler/webber. The Augor lost its logistic bonuses so I guess that's a straight up tank now or is it still used as a logi?

Navy = Better version of T1.
Pirate = Better version of T1, plus special capabilities allowed to break certain "rules".
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#20 - 2014-07-23 04:26:53 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Trajanus Caesar wrote:
Interesting. So what would faction ships, specifically Amarr Navy Issue (all of them), fall under toolkit wise? They seem to focus on DPS only, with the a slicer still being a good tackler/webber. The Augor lost its logistic bonuses so I guess that's a straight up tank now or is it still used as a logi?

Navy = Better version of T1.
Pirate = Better version of T1, plus special capabilities allowed to break certain "rules".


Yeah that's usually the case, except for a couple of oddballs like the Navy versions of the logistics cruisers.

They are usually higher statted versions of the base ship, sometimes with a new capability. But overwhelmingly, the (empire) Navy ships are pure combat ships (not specialist role ships) and the pirate ships are combat ships with unique abilities that make them the best ships available for certain combat scenarios (example: the Bhaalgorn is the best ship at using energy neutralizers in the game, the Daredevil and Vindicator have the best webs in the game, and so on).

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