Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Alright, this is a pretty straightforward feature thread. Of the several new t2 ships we need, t2 Attack Battlecruisers I think would be the most interesting direct combat ships we've had introduced in quite awhile. Basically the final step after HACs, these vessels would be less defense-oriented than their cruiser counterparts, although they would definitely be tougher than their t1 variants.

All ships would receive full t2 resists, would have the same amount of HP total but have some ported from secondary defenses to augment the primary tank. Capacitor increase would be analogous to the increase from t1 cruisers to HACs, although I would be fine with leaving that off or keeping it only slightly better than the t1 variants. Doing the math, the overall ehp with these things would be similar to or slightly less than hictors of the same race, for the amarr and caldari ones anyway.

Alright, here we go:

OWL
T2 naga, Ishukone skin

8/6/4/ slot loadout, 8 turret hard points

Caldari Battlecruiser skill:
10% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret optimal range per level,
5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret damage per level

Heavy Attack Ship skill:
10% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret optimal range per level,
4% bonus to Shield Resists per level

25% hp from hull, and 25% hp from armor ported into the shield hp to augment primary defenses


SAGE
T2 Oracle, Viziam skin

8/3/7 slot loadout, 8 turret hard points

Amarr Battlecruiser skill:
10% bonus to Large Energy Turret capacitor usage per level,
5% bonus to Large Energy Turret damage per level

Heavy Attack Ship skill:
7.5% bonus to Large Energy Turret tracking speed per level,
4% bonus to Armor Resists per level

50% hp from shield ported to armor hp to augment primary defenses.


APOLLO
T2 Talos, Roden skin

8/4/6 slot loadout, 8 turret hard points

Gallente Battlecruiser skill:
5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret damage per level,
7.5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret tracking speed per level

Heavy Attack Ship skill:
10% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret optimal range per level,
7.5% bonus to Armor Repair amount per level

25% shield hp ported over to armor to augment primary defenses


CUTLASS
T2 Tornado, Thukker skin

8/5/5 slot loadout, 8 turret slots

Minmatar Battlecruiser skill:
5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret RoF per level,
10% bonus to Large Projectile Turret falloff per level

Heavy Attack Ship skill:
7.5% bonus to Large Projectile turret tracking speed per level,
7.5% bonus to Shield Booster effectiveness per level

25% hull hp ported over to shields to augment primary defenses.


I thought about making the t2 oracle a khanid ship called the Bane, with bonuses to flight time, damage, armor resists and capacitor, and after looking it over I made the decision that it would be obscenely overpowered. Please let me know if you think otherwise.

ABC's are already kind of T2 ships unto themselves.

If u want beefy BC's, go command ship.

The Absolution might be in a weird place, what ehp is considered and man the Damnation is one of the least tanky command ships we have, only 450.000ehp possible.

And don't get me started on that Vulture. She can only have like 280.000ehp. Baaaad command ship, shame they cannot tank

The point of T2 ships is that they specialise in given roles over the 'generalised' T1 ships.

Unfortunatly you have neglected to provide a role for your T2 ABC concept. All you have done is improve on the standard hull and remove a rig slot. It still fulfills the same niche role that the T1 hull does.

It would have made more sense to suggest the removal of some of the high slots, all the turret slots and allow it to fit a capital launcher and maybe a new "heavy bomb launcher" with a larger blast radius and higher damage that even BS's would probably be able to speed tank but capitals would take a pounding from. Then give it cov-ops status and nerf the tank even further.

Bam, you have a Heavy Bomber

(The "Heavy Bomb Launcher" idea is purely optional here, there is a good chance that it would actually be too imbalanced.)

No, sorry. A Zealot is just an upgraded Omen, an Deimos is just an upgraded Thorax, a Cerberus is just an upgraded Caracal, and the list goes on. There are plenty of T2 ships that're just flat upgrades from their T1 counterparts.

Faction police variants, however, are not subject to that trend in any way. A Navy Augoror doesn't even resemble a standard Augoror, as probably one of the more extreme examples.

As far as the OP goes I just don't see it being possible to give an ABC T2 bonuses without it being horribly broken. You've already got 8 large guns on a medium hull, that's borderline silliness in itself. Trying to put them on par with other T2 hulls just results in insanity.

If you want more T2 BC's I highly recommend the thread for combat engineering ships. Put a vote in for BC hulls there.

Maybe have it deploy and do 10 times damage with -99.9% tracking so they become demolition balls only good for structures and other stationary targets.

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The first flaw with this is that HAC's are the only shipclass that made it to T2 without a heavy specialised niche. For a T2 role to be considered for development it needs to fill an unoccupied niche. I'd love to see some heavy sluggers on BC hulls myself (that don't fall apart the minute someone in a venture farts at it) but seriously, large class weapons? high speed + bad tracking from overlarge turrets will inhibit the idea. Put 'em on the same hulls you're suggesting sure, but medium weapons. also realiase you're working on a 300m ship here considering the base hulls, it'll be limited at best in pvp due to the cost.

Niche is high-end mobile fleet-oriented large weapon platforms. Distinction from their t1 variants is better weapon focus and stronger tank. That and being absurdly fun.

Surely if they have eight large weapons and HIC level tank, they are battleships? Well tanked ones at that, seeing as how you can top 250k EHP in a HIC.

this would be an issue. the lack of a strong tank was not the huge limiting factor ccp had in mind for them I imagine. Kind of glassy...but when jumped by handfullls of them....ship/fit depending by the time you get lock you can be thinking more along the lines of what celestial shall I try to clear my pod out to in a few seconds lol.