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Rattlesnake or Domi as next lvl 4 mission running ship.
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Nandhi
Glory Hole Stopf Service
#1 - 2014-07-18 07:27:49 UTC
My main has good Shield skills and missile skills. Currently running a Tengu with all T2 Mods. It does over 550 DPS with HAM (EM Rage missiles)/ 380 DPS with HAM (EM javalin missiles). previously i was flying a CNS. My current mission running speed is around 20 min for medium lvl 4 mission. For missions like "Angel Extravagenza, Damsel in distress, The blockade, worlds collide" i take around 1 hr to complete the missions.

I came to know that, if i use sentries, i can do lvl 4 missions faster, so i was looking for my next upgrade. I am not sure , should i go for Rattle snake or Dominix. As rattle snake has only 50mb Drone bandwidth and senteries take around 25mbps each. so i can use only 2 senteries. where as DOmi can support upto 5 senteries.

Is rattlesnake really amazing than Dominix ? should i fit Rattlesnake with Cruise missiles or Torpedos when using senteries. I am looking for long range combat like over 100km + ..

Is there a Shield fitted Domi ?/

please guide me.

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-07-18 07:50:36 UTC
Nandhi wrote:
My main has good Shield skills and missile skills. Currently running a Tengu with all T2 Mods. It does over 550 DPS with HAM (EM Rage missiles)/ 380 DPS with HAM (EM javalin missiles). previously i was flying a CNS. My current mission running speed is around 20 min for medium lvl 4 mission. For missions like "Angel Extravagenza, Damsel in distress, The blockade, worlds collide" i take around 1 hr to complete the missions.

I came to know that, if i use sentries, i can do lvl 4 missions faster, so i was looking for my next upgrade. I am not sure , should i go for Rattle snake or Dominix. As rattle snake has only 50mb Drone bandwidth and senteries take around 25mbps each. so i can use only 2 senteries. where as DOmi can support upto 5 senteries.

Is rattlesnake really amazing than Dominix ? should i fit Rattlesnake with Cruise missiles or Torpedos when using senteries. I am looking for long range combat like over 100km + ..

Is there a Shield fitted Domi ?/

please guide me.



Your questions indicate you need to do a lot more research on the ships you are considering.

QUICK ANSWER:
- Domi eats missions while being semi AFK making a sandwich burping the baby etc etc
- Rattlesnake has double the DPS of the Domi and can finish missions faster, but needs to be micromanaged and is more work.

SPECIFIC ANSWERS
"rattle snake has only 50mb Drone bandwidth"
- read the ship bonuses. the two RS sentries do the damage of 5 Domi sentries

"should i fit Rattlesnake with Cruise missiles or Torpedos when using senteries. I am looking for long range combat like over 100km +"
- the rattlesnake is no longer a sniper, fitting all 5 launches severly limits your drone control range. The rattlesnake now works best at 50 to 100km.
- for 100km+ torpedoes are out as the RS has lost the bonuses that gave it the range for torps. you are looking at cruise for long range or RHMLs for medium range (up to 80km or so)

"Is there a Shield fitted Domi ?/"
- it can be done but more than 4 DDA are a bit pointless so most people armor tank or spider tank
- active shield tank can work
- I doubt anyone passive shield tanks a domi but I suppose it is possible
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#3 - 2014-07-18 08:53:17 UTC
I loved my sentry domis duo (2 highs taken by remote armor and cap transfer, rest slots for maximum range and damage of sentries + mjd) for null anoms but as I do not play this game by walking away from it now I would go for RS because there is nothing more fun than just rip through rats ASAP and move on. If you have skills allowing you to really use potential of RS go for it, least time you spend in mission the better.

And btw tengu sucks for L4s when compared to properly fitted and used BS. It's a gimmic invented by ETF warriors and "t3 is leet" idiots. I don't say it doesn't work it is just far away from being best tool for the job.

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Nandhi
Glory Hole Stopf Service
#4 - 2014-07-18 09:25:14 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
I loved my sentry domis duo (2 highs taken by remote armor and cap transfer, rest slots for maximum range and damage of sentries + mjd) for null anoms but as I do not play this game by walking away from it now I would go for RS because there is nothing more fun than just rip through rats ASAP and move on. If you have skills allowing you to really use potential of RS go for it, least time you spend in mission the better.

And btw tengu sucks for L4s when compared to properly fitted and used BS. It's a gimmic invented by ETF warriors and "t3 is leet" idiots. I don't say it doesn't work it is just far away from being best tool for the job.


Yea Agreed. I had more fun when running lvl 4 missions with CNS than Tengu. But after reading forum posts, i trained for Tengu and invested 2 months time on support skills. Found its not that great. Damage is same as BS. It does not have range. Now most of the BS can kite away to safe distance. And tengu finds it difficult to reach them. Jav missiles does the same damage as HAM.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#5 - 2014-07-18 13:20:08 UTC
Between the cruise missiles and sentries, the Rattlesnake will out DPS the Domi.
Tyrea Gaterau
Folktales
#6 - 2014-07-18 14:39:46 UTC
I used domi for really long time and now I consider going for Rattlesnake. Rattlesnake has more tank (not needed that much but, hey it's something Lol ) and dps (800ish vs 1600ish) but is more expensive (600M vs 1,6B).
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-07-18 15:01:16 UTC
Tyrea Gaterau wrote:
I used domi for really long time and now I consider going for Rattlesnake. Rattlesnake has more tank (not needed that much but, hey it's something Lol ) and dps (800ish vs 1600ish) but is more expensive (600M vs 1,6B).

1.6B? Nobody is forcing you to use faction DDA's. I certainly wouldn't.

Below fit is 418M in fittings and 457M hull, well over 1500 DPS before missile implants. Can swap out a hardener for a target painter easily. Probably doesn't need the DLA either and dropping it will allow you to more easily get around to dropping the CPU rig and using rigors instead. There's a lot of ways to tweak this to make it better.

[Rattlesnake, Conventional]

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Pith A-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
100MN Afterburner II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pith C-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Processor Overclocking Unit II
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
[Empty Rig slot]


Garde II x2
Gecko x1
Bouncer II x2
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-07-18 15:32:23 UTC
Just make sure rats are slow and orbit you if you choose to use furys without tp and application rigs.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#9 - 2014-07-18 17:22:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Schmata Bastanold
Nandhi wrote:
Yea Agreed. I had more fun when running lvl 4 missions with CNS than Tengu. But after reading forum posts, i trained for Tengu and invested 2 months time on support skills. Found its not that great. Damage is same as BS. It does not have range. Now most of the BS can kite away to safe distance. And tengu finds it difficult to reach them. Jav missiles does the same damage as HAM.


For a long time I was exclusively projectile minnie but when they announced cyclone was going to be missile ship I just trained frakk out of missiles. And when I had it all finished tengu was very close because for some strange reason I had all 20 subsystem skills already trained to III. And on forums no matter what was the question answer always was: tengu.

So I got it, and spent few days in L4s and sure it is nice with speed and sig tanking but nobody ever will convince me that BS is not better, especially now after tiercide and balancing treatments. Besides who needs perma medium faction shield booster running when you can just warp into a pocket, drop sentries and smack the living sh!t out of anything that comes your way within 100km+?

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#10 - 2014-07-19 03:31:16 UTC
I'd go with the rattlesnake. just seems easier to fit than a domi. Plus it has moar dps!

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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#11 - 2014-07-19 04:04:34 UTC
Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2014-07-19 07:21:02 UTC
Nandhi wrote:
My main has good Shield skills and missile skills. Currently running a Tengu with all T2 Mods. It does over 550 DPS with HAM (EM Rage missiles)/ 380 DPS with HAM (EM javalin missiles). previously i was flying a CNS. My current mission running speed is around 20 min for medium lvl 4 mission. For missions like "Angel Extravagenza, Damsel in distress, The blockade, worlds collide" i take around 1 hr to complete the missions.

I came to know that, if i use sentries, i can do lvl 4 missions faster, so i was looking for my next upgrade. I am not sure , should i go for Rattle snake or Dominix. As rattle snake has only 50mb Drone bandwidth and senteries take around 25mbps each. so i can use only 2 senteries. where as DOmi can support upto 5 senteries.

Is rattlesnake really amazing than Dominix ? should i fit Rattlesnake with Cruise missiles or Torpedos when using senteries. I am looking for long range combat like over 100km + ..

Is there a Shield fitted Domi ?/

please guide me.


You have bad skills or bad fit or both. Hamtengu none shiny should be able to push 700-800 dps
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-07-19 10:57:39 UTC
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
Get em!

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/70554-MWD-L4-Rattlesnake-1733-DPS-with-implants.html


IMO, unless you plan to use it against a pos shiel and it does not matter to you that you are paying 3 bil for a 1bil setup dps performance (but with higher tank), whatever floats your boat.

EDIT: also mandatory: hehehe battleclinic
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#14 - 2014-07-22 14:46:18 UTC
Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:
Nandhi wrote:
My main has good Shield skills and missile skills. Currently running a Tengu with all T2 Mods. It does over 550 DPS with HAM (EM Rage missiles)/ 380 DPS with HAM (EM javalin missiles). previously i was flying a CNS. My current mission running speed is around 20 min for medium lvl 4 mission. For missions like "Angel Extravagenza, Damsel in distress, The blockade, worlds collide" i take around 1 hr to complete the missions.

I came to know that, if i use sentries, i can do lvl 4 missions faster, so i was looking for my next upgrade. I am not sure , should i go for Rattle snake or Dominix. As rattle snake has only 50mb Drone bandwidth and senteries take around 25mbps each. so i can use only 2 senteries. where as DOmi can support upto 5 senteries.

Is rattlesnake really amazing than Dominix ? should i fit Rattlesnake with Cruise missiles or Torpedos when using senteries. I am looking for long range combat like over 100km + ..

Is there a Shield fitted Domi ?/

please guide me.


You have bad skills or bad fit or both. Hamtengu none shiny should be able to push 700-800 dps


Rattlesnake can easily get 1500 dps between drones and missiles.
Nandhi
Glory Hole Stopf Service
#15 - 2014-07-24 12:51:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Nandhi
Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:
Nandhi wrote:
My main has good Shield skills and missile skills. Currently running a Tengu with all T2 Mods. It does over 550 DPS with HAM (EM Rage missiles)/ 380 DPS with HAM (EM javalin missiles). previously i was flying a CNS. My current mission running speed is around 20 min for medium lvl 4 mission. For missions like "Angel Extravagenza, Damsel in distress, The blockade, worlds collide" i take around 1 hr to complete the missions.

I came to know that, if i use sentries, i can do lvl 4 missions faster, so i was looking for my next upgrade. I am not sure , should i go for Rattle snake or Dominix. As rattle snake has only 50mb Drone bandwidth and senteries take around 25mbps each. so i can use only 2 senteries. where as DOmi can support upto 5 senteries.

Is rattlesnake really amazing than Dominix ? should i fit Rattlesnake with Cruise missiles or Torpedos when using senteries. I am looking for long range combat like over 100km + ..

Is there a Shield fitted Domi ?/

please guide me.


You have bad skills or bad fit or both. Hamtengu none shiny should be able to push 700-800 dps


I am now having 705 dps with my rage missiles. Its not about the DPS. Its the range(25km). With additional Fuel rigs i can make it upto 30km. When i get to range i can kill them fast. But the rats and mission battleships keep on kiting. its very difficult with HAM tengu. HML is ok, i get around 480 DPS.

So if 4 or 5 battleships are there in the area and all are kiting at differnet directions, its very difficult. Its time taking.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#16 - 2014-07-24 14:21:18 UTC
[Tengu, killy mckilly]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I

Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Try this setup.

Scourge Javelins hit out to 69km 667 dps
Faction Scourge hits out to 46km for 850 dps
Scourge Rage hits out to 38km for 1001

Implants being used is RL-1005, AM-705, and GP-805. Tank is only about 271, but the speed and low sig helps. Kill webbers first always. Pimp to your taste.
Octavious0506
Rock Crushers
#17 - 2014-07-24 15:58:16 UTC
Quote:
"rattle snake has only 50mb Drone bandwidth"
- read the ship bonuses. the two RS sentries do the damage of 5 Domi sentries


Actually if you do the math, the Rattlesnake does the damage of 5.5 sentries. Which would be a 10% real time boost.
Nandhi
Glory Hole Stopf Service
#18 - 2014-07-24 16:18:10 UTC
Octavious0506 wrote:
Quote:
"rattle snake has only 50mb Drone bandwidth"
- read the ship bonuses. the two RS sentries do the damage of 5 Domi sentries


Actually if you do the math, the Rattlesnake does the damage of 5.5 sentries. Which would be a 10% real time boost.


Good to hear that :)
stoicfaux
#19 - 2014-07-24 16:23:14 UTC
If you have the fitting skills:

[Rattlesnake, Summer 33]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I




Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
stoicfaux
#20 - 2014-07-24 16:26:05 UTC
Octavious0506 wrote:
Quote:
"rattle snake has only 50mb Drone bandwidth"
- read the ship bonuses. the two RS sentries do the damage of 5 Domi sentries


Actually if you do the math, the Rattlesnake does the damage of 5.5 sentries. Which would be a 10% real time boost.

Domni: 50% bonus = 5 * 1.5 = 7.5 effective drones
RS: 275% bonus = 2 * 3.75 = 7.5 effective drones (sentry/heavy only)

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
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