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Shield Booster comparison sheet
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Kartaugh
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2011-11-21 03:12:46 UTC
Apart from the shield boosters, I'd really like to see an intermediate Invulnerability Field between T2 and Caldari Navy. Domination is basically equal to best named, and the performance (and PRICE) jump between T2 and CN is just way too much.

An alternative to make it easier to get a performance boost compared to T2 without needing to shell out 500 million per Invuln would be mighty nice.

"It's not that I am afraid to die. I just don't want to be there when it happens." - Boris Grushenko
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2011-11-21 09:57:19 UTC
Kartaugh wrote:
Apart from the shield boosters, I'd really like to see an intermediate Invulnerability Field between T2 and Caldari Navy. Domination is basically equal to best named, and the performance (and PRICE) jump between T2 and CN is just way too much.


That's because there are no deadspace invulns, unlike EANMs. Faction EANMs are sensibly priced because deadspace exists inbetween faction and officer.
Aamrr
#23 - 2011-11-21 10:11:00 UTC
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Kartaugh wrote:
Apart from the shield boosters, I'd really like to see an intermediate Invulnerability Field between T2 and Caldari Navy. Domination is basically equal to best named, and the performance (and PRICE) jump between T2 and CN is just way too much.


That's because there are no deadspace invulns, unlike EANMs. Faction EANMs are sensibly priced because deadspace exists inbetween faction and officer.


It might also be related to the fact that you can purchase 5x run BPCs for faction EANMs -- not so for faction invulns. And paying for the invulnerability field directly costs about as many tags as paying for a 5x run EANM BPC...
...well, you can see where I'm going with this.
JackStraw56
Run Like an Antelope
#24 - 2011-11-22 05:52:41 UTC
Very nice spreadsheet. I made pretty much the exact same thing when trying to decide what shield booster to buy for my Mach, but didn't think to post it.

It makes a couple things clear
- Gist are really efficient
- Pith give the better raw hp at the cost of cap

Lower end Gist XL boosters are the best choice IMO for most mission BSs because of the efficiency and lowish burst tank requirement.

Oh yeah it would be also be cool if the medium boosters were cheaper.
Xcen
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2011-11-22 10:33:12 UTC
Amadeu wrote:
Yeah, trying to figure out why so many CNR fits used high end Medium boosters was what led me to writing the sheet up in the first place. Until I put it all down on a spreadsheet, I was usually running with L or XL T2s.

Turns out that a high end med does more HP / sec than a T2 Large and can run for a ton longer due to the lower activation cost and better efficiency.

(And yes vets, I know this isn't a surprise to most of you :p )



Plus you can now have a better fit because you dont have to use a x-large booster.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2011-11-22 11:28:27 UTC
Aamrr wrote:
It might also be related to the fact that you can purchase 5x run BPCs for faction EANMs -- not so for faction invulns. And paying for the invulnerability field directly costs about as many tags as paying for a 5x run EANM BPC...
...well, you can see where I'm going with this.


Yeah, I didn't actually know that (never ran L4s for Caldari corps) but I will say that, as an end-user, if the CN invuln 'only' cost five times as much as the faction EANMs, I'd still consider it a steal compared to what it is currently (540M last I looked).
Aamrr
#27 - 2011-11-22 20:00:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Aamrr
Well, there's also the matter that a faction invuln provides a much larger bonus relative to its T2 counterpart than the faction EANM does. Over twice as large, in fact. Math to follow...

T2 EANM = 20% => 25% w/ Compensation V
Navy EANM = 23% => 28.75% w/ Compensation V
(1-.2875)/(1-.25) = (.7125/.75) = 0.95.
So the Faction EANM reduces incoming damage by 5% relative to its T2 counterpart.

T2 Invuln = 30%
Navy Invuln = 37.5%
(1-.375)/(1-.3) = (.625/.7) = 0.893.
So the Faction Invuln reduces incoming damage by 10.7% relative to its T2 counterpart.

For reference, a B-type EANM will correlate to a 10% reduction relative to the T2 EANM. The quality of the navy invuln is really closer to a b-type deadspace module than a "mere" faction mod. Yay math!
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#28 - 2011-11-22 20:34:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Aamrr wrote:

For reference, a B-type EANM will correlate to a 10% reduction relative to the T2 EANM. The quality of the navy invuln is really closer to a b-type deadspace module than a "mere" faction mod. Yay math!


Yep, and its cost is commensurate with its abilities too. Then again, its build costs are also pretty steep. :|

-Liang

Ed: Just so you know, if the CN Inv was nerfed to be only 5% better than T2, I don't think anyone would actually buy them. The build costs aren't going to go much lower because they're powered by other things in the LP stores.

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Aamrr
#29 - 2011-11-22 20:40:37 UTC
As always, Liang brings up a very good point. Perhaps I should have mentioned it, but I was mostly just trying to give context to the people complaining about the price earlier.

Thanks for correcting me, in any case!
Amadeu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2011-12-14 20:42:11 UTC
Been about a month. Just bumping this one for anyone new to find & learn.
Kodama Ikari
Thragon
#31 - 2011-12-14 21:02:13 UTC
Arthur Frayn wrote:
The Pithum A Medium has always been one of the most expensive deadspace shield boosters in the game even before T3. I remember when I bought my first one before Apocrypha, the average price was still 1.5 bill. It's the perfect booster for permarunning in missions, so just about every highsec runner is going to want one for his pimped out CNR/Golem/Nightmare/Machariel.



This this this. pith deadspace mediums have always been undisputed best booster for pve. Their stats are just not in line with anything else. Not other shield boosters, and certainly not armor reps.

IMO nerf them slightly, improve large shield boosters slightly, or bring the deadspace amor reps in line.

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#32 - 2011-12-14 21:12:52 UTC
Kodama Ikari wrote:
Arthur Frayn wrote:
The Pithum A Medium has always been one of the most expensive deadspace shield boosters in the game even before T3. I remember when I bought my first one before Apocrypha, the average price was still 1.5 bill. It's the perfect booster for permarunning in missions, so just about every highsec runner is going to want one for his pimped out CNR/Golem/Nightmare/Machariel.



This this this. pith deadspace mediums have always been undisputed best booster for pve. Their stats are just not in line with anything else. Not other shield boosters, and certainly not armor reps.

IMO nerf them slightly, improve large shield boosters slightly, or bring the deadspace amor reps in line.


Honestly, what good does this do for the game? Don't get me wrong - I don't care and can use anything about as well as anything else... but the nerf just wouldn't accomplish anything useful.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Julia Connor
P R O M E T H E U S
From Anoikis
#33 - 2011-12-14 22:05:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Julia Connor
IIRC, it's 2 armor reps to one shield rep in terms of effectiveness or is it only true for capitals.
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