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Yokubou
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-07-17 03:48:09 UTC
After a month of training I finally can fly a Loki. Problem is I don't have a good fit. I'm stuck on what I really want to do with it. IE group ganking or a cloaky loki. Anyone have a good fit they're willing to share with me? I can't really move forward until I have a good fit Sad

heres one I had in mind

[Loki, t]
Federation Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Centum A-Type Energized Kinetic Membrane
Centum A-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Internal Force Field Array I
Federation Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier

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Hornet EC-300 x5
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#2 - 2014-07-17 07:48:44 UTC
First things first:

Federation Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membranes are ****, ****, and nothing but ****.
Whenever looking at passive faction armor modules, you should only look at Amarr-Themed ones. Imperial Navy, Blood Raider, True Sansha, Khanid and Ammatar. The latter 2 are probably more expensive than the rest.
For DEADSPACE and ACTIVE stuff, everything's viable again.

2:
You don't have any damage mod.
Even in a refined version of your fit, you'd end up with 260 dps.

3:
To play out your range, try reducing the falloff you are in, or maximize your falloff range.
With your guns, you're already in more than half of falloff, which is not bad at all, but would reduce your DPS even further by roughly 25-30%.

4:
Probably just my personal preference, but at least i wouldn't like putting a ship that expensive into PvP when my only GTFO is 2 webs and i'm all buffer.
The moment second (or third) guy enters grid, and given your DPS how likely that is, you might end up being space-toast quite fast. Consider going with a MWD and / or active tank.
Yokubou
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-07-17 10:21:45 UTC
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
First things first:

Federation Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membranes are ****, ****, and nothing but ****.
Whenever looking at passive faction armor modules, you should only look at Amarr-Themed ones. Imperial Navy, Blood Raider, True Sansha, Khanid and Ammatar. The latter 2 are probably more expensive than the rest.
For DEADSPACE and ACTIVE stuff, everything's viable again.

2:
You don't have any damage mod.
Even in a refined version of your fit, you'd end up with 260 dps.

3:
To play out your range, try reducing the falloff you are in, or maximize your falloff range.
With your guns, you're already in more than half of falloff, which is not bad at all, but would reduce your DPS even further by roughly 25-30%.

4:
Probably just my personal preference, but at least i wouldn't like putting a ship that expensive into PvP when my only GTFO is 2 webs and i'm all buffer.
The moment second (or third) guy enters grid, and given your DPS how likely that is, you might end up being space-toast quite fast. Consider going with a MWD and / or active tank.


Yea I kinda just threw it together, I kinda like the idea of a cloaky loki but arent they kind of squishy (paper thin) ?
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#4 - 2014-07-17 10:35:25 UTC
cloaky lokies are only really used in group pvp or for hot dropping and in many cases a rapier is superior. fleet lokis are generally used for their webs and high ppssible tank and not really their dps though they can get good applied dps at mid to long range. probably makes good if a bit expensive heavy tackle though long scram prot prolly does it better.

prots, legions and even tengus probably make better solo boats but I guess lokis can be made to work as well. ac's might be better for a solo boat?

ive only flown loki myself and only in fleet or exploration setups.

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Yokubou
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-07-17 10:47:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Yokubou
201k ehp with full slave set, not sure it's lock time Ugh but heres a screen shot of it in EFT

http://gyazo.com/2c8c88f4dcad009b827fd4fc1dd03b43

think its any good? for a tackler that is


[Loki, tank loki]
Damage Control II
Federation Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corpum C-Type Energized Kinetic Membrane
Corpum C-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
Federation Navy 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates
Federation Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization
Moore McRay
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-07-17 11:05:16 UTC
It really depends on you PvP habbits... do you fly blobs or small gang/solo?, do you have logi support? Are you HS, LS, 0.0 or WH the fit changes accordingly.

i'd loose the DC II for a RFG since t3 hulls with armor buffer don't benefit that much of it (cruiser hull HP) and you lack a lot of dps

Use t2 plate for more HP

and you can actually 100MN fit it instead of 10mn but it might require more skills for you...

o7 fly safe
Yokubou
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-07-17 11:11:41 UTC
Moore McRay wrote:
It really depends on you PvP habbits... do you fly blobs or small gang/solo?, do you have logi support? Are you HS, LS, 0.0 or WH the fit changes accordingly.

i'd loose the DC II for a RFG since t3 hulls with armor buffer don't benefit that much of it (cruiser hull HP) and you lack a lot of dps

Use t2 plate for more HP

and you can actually 100MN fit it instead of 10mn but it might require more skills for you...

o7 fly safe


I have no idea what a RFG is Lol but I changed the plated and got quite a bit more hp out of it. I never pvp to be honest I just work IRL all the time and dont play much so I just wanna have fun and mess around with a good fit loki. So maybe the group fit isnt such a good idea because I wont really do much group pvp at all
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#8 - 2014-07-17 11:15:31 UTC
republic fleet gyrostabilizer

I should buy an Ishtar.
Yokubou
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-07-17 11:18:07 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
republic fleet gyrostabilizer

Ah ok I lost 30k hp for swapping but ghot around 100 more dps
Moore McRay
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-07-17 11:21:47 UTC
The abreviation is hardly used tho my bad :)

If you fly solo i would go for a cloaky loki but then again you picked the worst one to fly solo IMO
t3s are modular yes but the web bonus makes it a strong fleetship espacially for t3 armour gangs.
but i guess you could still roll with a cloaky in your face loki but that's not my pair of shoes
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
OnlyFleets.
#11 - 2014-07-18 11:56:18 UTC
instalocking loki is quite good fun allbeit its more of a fleet ship but the resists and ehp it can do is quite crazy, faction web and point is kinda a must for any fit

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Burnz Andven
Lincoln industry Corporation
#12 - 2014-07-19 10:50:22 UTC
I currently fly a loki to do lvl 4s in as like you im working and sometimes just want abit of fun and to make some isk in the process. I would say i wouldnt use it for pvp as it could get expensive for the modules you want to use. If you do decide to use it for missions you will actually have to fly it rather than sitting there tanking everything in the pocket, this isnt a cue to start debating whats best for lvl 4 missions just stating what i use mine for. Depends really what you want to. I will say i have fun in mine and glad i trained for it, intially i couldnt get the right fit but after looking into it im more than happy now.
Yokubou
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-07-19 11:47:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Yokubou
bump still cant find a good fit Sad
xpl0de
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-07-19 18:04:41 UTC  |  Edited by: xpl0de
Sorry OP but a pilot with no pvp experience flying an expensive ship = nice shiny killmail. Particularly with larger ships. Ur gonna loose that loki, and not in some glorious fight to the death. If you really wanna do solo cruisers, go fit a stabber fleet and learn to fly that. After loosing a couple dozen and knowing the ropes, jump to a cynie or vaga.

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Yokubou
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-07-19 18:19:33 UTC
xpl0de wrote:
Sorry OP but a pilot with no pvp experience flying an expensive ship = nice shiny killmail. Particularly with larger ships. Ur gonna loose that loki, and not in some glorious fight to the death. If you really wanna do solo cruisers, go fit a stabber fleet and learn to fly that. After loosing a couple dozen and knowing the ropes, jump to a cynie or vaga.

Hey, I have a cynabal but couldn't find a good fit either lol I struggled to balance kiting vs being super squishy and apply enough pressure
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#16 - 2014-07-21 07:53:08 UTC
the loki is the weakest of the t3s. yes the legion isnt exactly stellar but even it has quite a few things that make it better in many cases over the loki.

That said it has a lot going for it both in pvp and pve but not solo in either of those areas. there is a lot of intetesting ways to fit it and after having had a lot of unique problems that needed ships to answers those problems ive found that the loki is extremely adaptable.

for this exact reason my advice would be to stop asking other people for fits on this particular ship and get stuck into eft and really get to know what each subsystem does. while a prot can do a lot of things with a single setup because its a bit on the op side, the loki needs to be custom built and rebuilt for each specific task to make it function satisfactorily.

I can however give you a few tips on things ive noticed.

the loki is super flexible in that it can be either shield or armor tanked for either pvp or pve. if you are having trouble getting a fit to work, start a new build and switch from armor to shield tanking or vise versa. the large cap battery can make a huge difference on ac fits. cruiser hulls are the best hulls to fit a cap battery on. remember to fit the right prop sub for the right prop mod you want to use. remember that you can refit subs in space with a depo. ive found its not really feasible to try it with more than two subs though (covops and nully for example). dont be married to the web sub, especially in pve. the extra mid the scanning sub gives can make a huge difference. dont expect amazing dps numbers. only the laser legion and maybe hm tengu gets less dps (but with amazing projection for both). the covops sub is useless to fight in unlike the prot's covops sub except for a blops bait drop kind of fit. the arties are heavily dependant on using the right ammo in the right situation. get to know the differences! learn to love barrage.

lastly I would strongly echo the recommendation to learn how to solo fight in these kinds of ships on a cheaper hull like a fleet stabber before pointlessly loosing a fit worth 5 or 6 times as much.

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Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#17 - 2014-07-21 08:25:37 UTC
Basically the only reason to use a Loki is for heavy web support, shield fits are meh since the TE nerf and soloing in brick armour TIIIs is just bad, however they are excellent gang support, I use the following fits;

[Loki, arty]
Internal Force Field Array I
Corelum C-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
Corelum C-Type Energized Kinetic Membrane
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor

720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Loki Offensive - Turret Concurrence Registry
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

This fit has decent alpha and provides tackle, with 194k EHP with MG Slaves and Links (You have those right?). Its excellent for small-mid size gangs with logistics support, if you have reliable cap transfer you can go for active hardeners.

[Loki, Heavy]
Internal Force Field Array I
True Sansha Armor Explosive Hardener
True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II

Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Imperial Navy Medium EMP Smartbomb
Auto Targeting System II
Cynosural Field Generator I

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector
Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

This is the second fit, it has 364K EHP with Slaves and Links and provides excellent painting and webbing support, suitable for heavy BS fleets or Dreads fleets where your DPS in an arty Loki isnt that important or in high alpha situations where you need a lot of buffer.

I did solo in some shield fits but they are garbage post TE nerf, so dont bother.
Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#18 - 2014-07-21 16:58:59 UTC
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/68168-Loki-Hailmary.html

Thats one of my loki fits. Very fun to fly. Beware of frig blob though. You could drop one CDFE II for a ancil current router to fit a medium neut for slightly better frig defense. EHP drops from ~40k to like 34k if you do that though.

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