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Dear CCP, Please STOP REUSING Historical Items for Sales & Marketing Promotions

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#81 - 2011-12-13 22:43:50 UTC
Just add "Mk. II" to the name of any newly made Primae's or Apotheosises or whatever.
Collector's value of originals preserved.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#82 - 2011-12-13 22:49:18 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Just add "Mk. II" to the name of any newly made Primae's or Apotheosises or whatever.
Collector's value of originals preserved.



Yeah this is a captain obvious point.

They really need to go back and DO this retroactively to the gifts they gave out.

This is another slap in the face to players.

Especially collectors and those that might have invested in collectible ships. Its sets a bad precedent for collectibles going forwards.

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#83 - 2011-12-13 23:07:40 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Just add "Mk. II" to the name of any newly made Primae's or Apotheosises or whatever.
Collector's value of originals preserved.

Well... yes there is this. I think that would be a valid option...

However there is another option too... there are a LOT of ships already in the database that no capsuleer has. For instance, the Apotheosis was derived from SOCT 1. Not a big deal, right? So what is so difficult about issuing SOCT 2 for the next promotion, instead of re-issuing the same one? There's also a SOCT Cruiser.

If CCP really wanted to get creative, they could issue all of the Fighter and Fighter Bombers as pilotable ships too... It might be a fun mini-game within EvE to get into fighter fights with ships that are negated by T1 frigates as a sort of mini-game within EvE. The fighters are already built as pilotable ships in the database too!

For something a bit bigger they might issue out a Styx or any number of the really cool ships they already have that no one ever sees. Nobody has a Gold Magnate... just sayin'...

The bottom line is that there are other low-effort options. Re-issuing the same smack over and over again is just no-effort. I'd like to see the no-effort policy curbed.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#84 - 2011-12-14 08:31:30 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Just add "Mk. II" to the name of any newly made Primae's or Apotheosises or whatever.
Collector's value of originals preserved.

Well... yes there is this. I think that would be a valid option...

However there is another option too... there are a LOT of ships already in the database that no capsuleer has. For instance, the Apotheosis was derived from SOCT 1. Not a big deal, right? So what is so difficult about issuing SOCT 2 for the next promotion, instead of re-issuing the same one? There's also a SOCT Cruiser.

For something a bit bigger they might issue out a Styx or any number of the really cool ships they already have that no one ever sees. Nobody has a Gold Magnate... just sayin'...

The bottom line is that there are other low-effort options. Re-issuing the same smack over and over again is just no-effort. I'd like to see the no-effort policy curbed.


Agree wholeheartedly. Any of these new ships are viable options for CCP to use with MINIMAL effort. Let us cherish the old and the new. Recycling old historical ship as part of the new promotions only cheapens our experience and memory.
Jita Alt666
#85 - 2011-12-14 08:39:36 UTC
This thread should have a post from a Gm/Dev in it.
ariana ailith
Dukalin
#86 - 2011-12-14 08:47:25 UTC
I can't imagine that creating like 20-ish custom shuttles and a bunch of random implants that do similar things to the regular ships is that hard. Eve could put a team to that for a month, maybe 3 guys or so and just design like 20-30 items for release in future happenings.

Like promotions, anniversaries, hilmars resignation and stuff like that.

Maybe it's just me, but that seems kinda "duh" to me.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#87 - 2011-12-18 20:36:56 UTC
Thank you very much for the Christmas presents... but....

My dear loving CCP, did you guys really had to toss in BATCHES of old historical items all at once as presents again?

I love you, CCP, but is it really difficult to differentiate between the old and the new? Is it possible to hand out these ships as "Civilian Zephyr," "Civilian Primae," and "Civilian Echelon?"

These unique historical ships were handed out to commemorate the following events:

Zephyr --> Apocrypha Expansion and the awesome wormholeness
Primae --> To celebrate the introduction of Planetary Interaction
Echelon --> Introduction of Sansha led INCURSION

Suddenly Santa Claus decided to hand out all these ships although 2011 winter has nothing to do with the historical events mentioned above?

It's not too late. Please hand out the SHIPS with different naming conventions. At this rate, every presents that you guys hand out each year, will look so cheap and dull.
Jask Avan
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2011-12-18 21:03:02 UTC
Eh, less wasted content because most anybody won't ever actually touch these things is fine with me.
Hainnz
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#89 - 2011-12-18 21:06:31 UTC
Wise man say don't collect virtual items or anything without inherent scarcity.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#90 - 2011-12-18 21:10:25 UTC  |  Edited by: The Antiquarian
Hainnz wrote:
Wise man say don't collect virtual items or anything without inherent scarcity.


You are absolutely correct. Recent moves from CCP discourages the "collecting profession" of EVE Online.

I feel like I am experiencing SWG and STO back again with their awesome promotional items and re-issuance of those, again and again and again. Took a bad precedent where the players were not enticed by any of these promotional items in the future.
Ivan Joukov
Soviet System
#91 - 2011-12-18 23:56:10 UTC
I always sold my collector items (snowball launchers, shuttles, etc...) but anyway I understand the collector's concerns, +1 for you guys, the Mk.2 idea is perfect.

 Davai!
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2011-12-19 00:02:26 UTC
A dev really needs to respond to this concern.

This is bull that they have not actually.

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Hainnz
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#93 - 2011-12-19 00:04:47 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
Hainnz wrote:
Wise man say don't collect virtual items or anything without inherent scarcity.


You are absolutely correct. Recent moves from CCP discourages the "collecting profession" of EVE Online.

I feel like I am experiencing SWG and STO back again with their awesome promotional items and re-issuance of those, again and again and again. Took a bad precedent where the players were not enticed by any of these promotional items in the future.


I didn't mean to be too flippant. I understand where you are coming from. I agree too that it wouldn't hurt them at all and would be more considerate to their players if they somehow differentiated the 1st editions from the rest.
Rabid cat
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2011-12-19 00:45:32 UTC
I agree! Different items should be offered to new players!
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#95 - 2011-12-19 00:46:48 UTC
I'm a little disappointed with this turn of events.

Mr Epeen Cool
Aggressive Nutmeg
#96 - 2011-12-19 00:48:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Aggressive Nutmeg
I'm happy to see players who achieve something receive limited edition items as a reward/trophy. These items should only ever be handed out to players of note - players who have won an organised competition open to all.

I have no sympathy for older players (who didn't compete in or win anything) who received an item as a gift and are now complaining that newer players are receiving the same gifts.

If you really care about such things, perhaps CCP can make visible the unique serial # of each ship. This effectively date stamps the ship.

As far as I know, you can only see this serial # by accessing player sql data or viewing it through smartphone apps like Aura. For example, the oldest ship I own, according to Aura, is a Badger Mark II (serial # 1001532038930).

I could imagine seeing the serial # of a ship visible in the market. Of course the serial # column could be hidden for buyers who don't want to see that info.

Older ships might command a higher price because there are collectors who are keen to procure the oldest ships still operating in EVE.

I wonder who has the oldest ship in EVE?

Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana.
Phizban
The Needs Of The Few
#97 - 2011-12-19 04:20:53 UTC
As a collector of items not worth using... I agree and promote this thread.

That is all.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#98 - 2011-12-22 12:10:25 UTC
Thank you very much for these little gifts, but the recent move only makes us think that CCP is inclined to use the special historical items for other promotions in the future. Is this the way of the future promotion? It would be nice if you venerable folks could stop handing out and recycling old unique ships and items with so much history and memories.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#99 - 2011-12-23 04:29:54 UTC
Its kinda fun and sad seeing CCP step in bull crap left and right. And the silence on things that should be addressed speaks volumes.

They screwed up xmas gifts this year in many ways.

Its like they cant help but make people mad. Its almost like they are trying to **** of the customers these days.

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Nikodiemus
Ganja Clade
Shadow Cartel
#100 - 2011-12-23 04:38:26 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
There are some losers like me who play this game solely to collect. I know. A sad and an obsessive hobby.

Some people thrive on killmails. We thrive on the size of our ISK wallets and pretty items in our docks.


Step 1: Create Text Document
Step 2: Add arbitrary number that satisfies you
Step 3: Tell all your friends of your accomplishment
Step 4: Profit

I, too, collect 1's and 0's given to me in exchange for real world currency and puff about it as best as I can, trying to forget my life's mundane nature.

If you invest in a market that has no player intervention other than getting rid of and procuring - while ignoring creation, distribution, resource attainment, and consistency, you have no right to ***** about anything. You are just dumb.