EVE General Discussion

i dont consider it perfect (especially on the visual and ui side)

but much more important, its everything but broken and a really good game mechanic

yes, ECM is a good game mechanic

it could stand a little work, a little more evenness of effect

Tactic, yes.

Game mechanic, no.

From what I understand about ECM jamming, it works on a chance basis, determining the chance a target is going to be jammed by looking at the jamming strength of the jamming ship, compared to the sensor strength of the target ship. This SHOULD mean that a ship with a very high sensor strength should be immune from jamming from something with a very low jam strength like an ECM drone, but this is usually not the case, since 5 light ECM drones can jam just about anything OCCASIONALLY.

Maybe the best solution would be to toss out the sensor strength value, (and probably the jam strength value) and find a new mechanic to make jamming work. Sensor strength has been causing issues anyway because of people making un-probable (or now, PRETTY MUCH un-probable) ships. ECM jam strength seems like it would just have to go along with sensor strength.

To replace the old system, I suggest two things. The first would be to make the following effects the end result of dedicated jamming ships (falcon, rook, blackbird, scorp, widow), while reducing the functionality of non-jamming ships fitting ECM and ECM drones to 1/5th or 1/10th of the percentage chances below. Second, start all tech 1 ships with a baseline chance to be jammed that is the same regardless of the ship size (maybe 40-50% chance). Then instead of making jamming tied to sensor strength, T2 ships would get a bonus relating to "ECM resistance" that would make tech 2 ships harder to jam than their T1 counterparts (maybe 20-25% chance). Finally for the top tier, you'd have things like recons and logistics which have naturally high sensor strength now, who would just get a "plus 2" ECM resistance bonus, making them ever harder still to jam (10-15% chance). Lastly, ships like marauders which now have sensor strength as their main weakness in PvP, would simply retain the tech 1 level of ECM resistance (or lack thereof). This has the added benefit of being simple to add as a bonus for certain T3 subsystems as well, without making them un-probable. Capitals would also work under this scheme with "plus 2" or even a "plus 3" ECM resistance, with supers being immune.

All this combined would keep the current jamming ships capabilities about the same as they are now, simplify the system from the pilot standpoint, not having to figure out rough jam chances based on guesswork as to a targets sensor strength, and further eliminate sensor strength all together, which has been a problem area for CCP recently and seems to serve very little gameplay purpose.

Also, un-nerf the falcon so it can jam out at 200+k once again (and get probed down and 0wned), thanks in advance.

No. There's a reason why highly competitive games have no "stunning" mechanics. It removes a huge part of the player skill/experience influence and instead can make fights depend on the outcome of a random numbers generator.

This game NEEDS a mechanic to neutralize high value targets, but ECM (eve's stunning) is a terrible way to do it. It also scales terribly, a Falcon in a 5v5 can easily keep 3/5 enemy targets permajammed while in large battles ECM is close to useless.

Learn to fit a ECCM and stop bitching because you do not like being jammed.

You can jam in real life so you can totally Jam spaceships.

Freaking morons

I like ECM, what i don't like is all the other kinds of EW, because they are much too weak.
Good strong EW options (and equally strong counters) could make combat alot more dynamic if we'd let it.



Well, sure, rebalancing is good. as long as one ting stays clear; chance based > point based. as in: do not go back to before ECM became chance based.

It's an awesome thing in the game.

It's just all the other EW ways of fighting that totally suck. ECM is awesome, at best requires so tweaks, while the other E-war weapons are almost totally useless.

I see it being pretty much OK. The only issue is that in comparison to other types of EW it is more powerful by far.

Ewar is quite complex thing overall.

Lets think about falcon or other jamming ships. You will bring falcon to fight so you can engage more enemies at same time. Enemy usually knows ships you will have on fight, yes, competent enemy knows you are having falcon support too.

Then your enemy counts that they need more ships to engage because of falcon will jamm atleast 1 or 2 ships all the time.

So all you get with falcon is that enemy brings even more numbers and then you wonder why people always blob you.

On bigger fights coordinating use of ewar is quite hard job and not many are capable to take full benefits of it.

There is certain setups that are dependable on some sort of ecm support and i approve use of ecm on those but as general use ecm ships just makes you enemy think twice to engage or not. Most of times it is just better to bring more tackling ships than jamming ships.

Except Target painting is not a primary e-war for any race.

So:
- If 10 guys web you, you will not move at all

can: shoot, tank, target
can't: move

- If 10 guys neut you, you won't have cap at all

can: shoot if missiles/projectiles/drones, target
can't: shoot if lasers/hybrids, tank, move with any speed mod (ab/mwd)

- If 10 guys dampen you, you won't be able to even target your own idle drone that is orbiting your ship

can: tank, move
can't: shoot, target

- if 10 guys jam you, you can not target anything

can: tank, move
can't: shoot, target

Looks to me like neuts are op here, not ECM.