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POS Fuel Switching to Blocks
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Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2011-11-23 05:29:48 UTC
Dark Privateer wrote:
Stupifying Eve, One patch at a time. Don't make us think or anything and be responsible about something so expensive and important. Hey, fuel blocks are going to be complicated to those in the future in a few years, so could they just run themselves with regenerative power systems that require no maintenance? Hey now, I think I am on to something here....


The process will only be simplified for those who simply buy their fuel off the market. For people who make their own fuel, it increases the complexity as they will need ot manufacture their own fuel blocks now, along with manufacturing their PI goods.

All in all, it adds another potential market to be exploited by enterprising individuals, so I don't see how this could be anything but good.
Gabba Cyno
#22 - 2011-11-23 08:04:14 UTC
Taedrin wrote:
Dark Privateer wrote:
Stupifying Eve, One patch at a time. Don't make us think or anything and be responsible about something so expensive and important. Hey, fuel blocks are going to be complicated to those in the future in a few years, so could they just run themselves with regenerative power systems that require no maintenance? Hey now, I think I am on to something here....


The process will only be simplified for those who simply buy their fuel off the market. For people who make their own fuel, it increases the complexity as they will need ot manufacture their own fuel blocks now, along with manufacturing their PI goods.

All in all, it adds another potential market to be exploited by enterprising individuals, so I don't see how this could be anything but good.


+1

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Esunisen
Les Tueurs de Killer
#23 - 2011-11-23 09:14:48 UTC
But if 1 block is consumed when your tower isn't at full CPU/grid, you're using more fuel, aren't you ?
pussnheels
Viziam
#24 - 2011-11-23 12:31:27 UTC
Esunisen wrote:
But if 1 block is consumed when your tower isn't at full CPU/grid, you're using more fuel, aren't you ?

not really because it uses less isotopes and pi commodities overall to make one fuelblock
only problem i forsee is that because of the playerowned custom offices for pi will deter alot of people of doing their pi in low sec the price for them will rise significant

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Velicitia
XS Tech
#25 - 2011-11-23 13:16:52 UTC
Cyniac wrote:
Zanban wrote:
Just did the math and as it sits right now to run a amarr large control tower it takes
8 coolant
4 enriched uranium
450 isoptopes
5 mechanical parts
25 oxygen
1 robotics
150 heavy water
150 ozone

That is for 1 hour. With this new system it will take 4 fuel blocks for 1 hour to run a large tower that is
32 coolant
16 enriched uranium
1600 isotopes
16 mechanical parts
80 oxygen
4 robotics
600 heavy water
600 ozone
Double check my math may be off alittle but it look to me that a large tower will cost 4 times the isk to run will this fuel block system. Yes it will be easy to maintane and easier to get your fuel to your POS but at 4X the cost.

Not worth it if you ask me


Take a deep breath, go back, read the actual devblog carefully, or maybe just read the first few posts of this thread.


Trust me, you'll feel better for it.


I somehow cannot believe people still make this mistake AGAIN and AGAIN!


CCP has changed this though.

Original Idea:
1 run makes 4 blocks. Each block was 50 m3.

Hourly consumption was 4/2/1
Faction towers had no fuel bonus, but a bigger fuel bay.

NEW WAY:
1 run makes FORTY (40) blocks. Each block is 5 m3.

Hourly consumption is 40/20/10.
Faction towers are 36/18/9 and 32/16/8 now (rather than the proposed bigger fuel bay).

source

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#26 - 2011-11-23 13:43:52 UTC
Esunisen wrote:
But if 1 block is consumed when your tower isn't at full CPU/grid, you're using more fuel, aren't you ?


Old system:

Coolant: 2 / 4 / 8
Enriched Uranium: 1 / 2 / 4
Mech Parts: 2 / 3 / 5
Oxygen: 7 / 13 / 25
Robotics: 1 / 1 / 1
Charters: 1 / 1 / 1 (hi-sec only)
Isotopes: 113 / 225 / 450

Heavy Water: 38 / 75 / 150 (CPU-driven)
Liquid Ozone: 38 / 75 / 150 (PG-driven)

Approx prices per month using today's fuel consumption rates (and assuming full CPU/PG):

Amarr: 139 / 219 / 379
Caldari: 142 / 225 / 392
Gallente: 228 / 396 / 734
Minmatar: 144 / 228 / 397

How much of that is from HW/LOz? For the 3 tower sizes, using today's prices (HW 155, LOz 419), the HW/LOz costs are (in millions of ISK):

HW: 4.2 / 8.4 / 16.8
LOz: 11.5 / 22.6 / 45.3

New system:

Coolant: 2 / 4 / 8
Enriched Uranium: 1 / 2 / 4
Mech Parts: 1 / 2 / 4 (small reduction per hour)
Oxygen: 5 / 10 / 20 (small reduction)
Robotics: 0.25 / 0.50 / 1.00 (small reduction)
Charters: 1 / 1 / 1 (hi-sec only)
Isotopes: 100 / 200 / 400 (reduced)

Heavy Water: 38 / 75 / 150 (fixed at max)
Liquid Ozone: 38 / 75 / 150 (fixed at max)

Approx prices per month using today's prices:

Amarr: 90 / 178 / 355
Caldari: 93 / 184 / 366
Gallente: 169 / 336 / 671
Minmatar: 94 / 186 / 371

Cost savings (approximate) by tower size each 30 days, assuming that you were previously maxed out on HW/LOz:

Small towers: 40M/30d (-35%)
Med towers: 40M/30d (-19%)
Large towers: 24M/30d (-6.4%)

Since small towers only paid a maximum of 16M ISK for their HW/LOz needs, a bare small tower with zero of each still ends up about 24M ISK/30d cheaper. Medium towers HW/LOz usage is about 31M, so they'll still end up at least 9M/30d cheaper. Large towers had less overall savings, so they might actually go up in price slightly due to increased HW/LOz usage.
Esunisen
Les Tueurs de Killer
#27 - 2011-11-23 15:51:48 UTC
I see, thanks.

Really need to try this on Sisi...
Esunisen
Les Tueurs de Killer
#28 - 2011-11-24 08:59:15 UTC
Conldn't find them at Thukker Mix station What?

Where the hell do you buy those BPOs ?
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#29 - 2011-11-24 12:46:15 UTC
Esunisen wrote:
Conldn't find them at Thukker Mix station What?

Where the hell do you buy those BPOs ?


Yeah, apparently they don't show up at the moment. CCP was notified in one of the threads that these were not showing up on Sisi and the acknowledged that it needed to be looked into. So they're aware of the issue.
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