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POS Fuel Switching to Blocks
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JigglyPoof
Industrial Mining and Mayhem
Sigma Grindset
#1 - 2011-11-20 14:29:33 UTC
So with this switch, it is going to cost me 4x more to run my large POS? Is this correct?

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3029

Supreme Commander of the Jigglys
Leonard Dukes
Arbitrage Holdings Corporation
#2 - 2011-11-20 14:37:19 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:
The four racial fuel blocks will be built in batches of four in all stations [...] Each batch of fourwill need the following components [...] Towers will use 1 block/hour for small, 2 blocks/hour for medium and 4 blocks/hour for large


JigglyPoof wrote:
So with this switch, it is going to cost me 4x more to run my large POS? Is this correct?


This is not correct.
Kisuke Riva
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2011-11-20 15:32:46 UTC
JigglyPoof wrote:
So with this switch, it is going to cost me 4x more to run my large POS? Is this correct?

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3029


No; btw, POS fuel cost is 50% in PI products but 95% of the m³ is from Ice, think about it.
Jokiller Solarius
Lantean Industries
#4 - 2011-11-20 16:03:55 UTC
Just to let you know Leonard is wrong its 40 per hour for a large and a fuel block bpo produces 40 blocks every 5 mins
Esunisen
Les Tueurs de Killer
#5 - 2011-11-20 19:08:23 UTC
mmm, gotta try this on Sisi ASAP
Dark Privateer
Unreal Darkness
#6 - 2011-11-21 12:58:50 UTC
Stupifying Eve, One patch at a time. Don't make us think or anything and be responsible about something so expensive and important. Hey, fuel blocks are going to be complicated to those in the future in a few years, so could they just run themselves with regenerative power systems that require no maintenance? Hey now, I think I am on to something here....
agrajag119
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-11-21 18:55:18 UTC
Dark Privateer wrote:
Stupifying Eve, One patch at a time. Don't make us think or anything and be responsible about something so expensive and important. Hey, fuel blocks are going to be complicated to those in the future in a few years, so could they just run themselves with regenerative power systems that require no maintenance? Hey now, I think I am on to something here....


It isn't dumbing down Eve. The logistics and planning is just moved to a process that is simpler. People still need the materials and know-how to make the blocks and to run the math on pricing. What they are eliminating is a pointless pain in the butt. Managing multiple POSs shouldn't require a dedicated out of game timer app and hours upon hours of time.
makoir Noriad
Oraron Research and Investment
#8 - 2011-11-22 06:08:51 UTC
One of the many problems with the last patch was there was so much change to the game. They could end up having the same problem with the next one It wont matter how good it is. Ther'll be too much for everyone to take in and people wont like it. Heres hoping they have 3 or 4 small patches over the december month and spoon feed us little bits at a time.
Eladaris
Indefinite.
#9 - 2011-11-22 06:11:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Eladaris
Dark Privateer wrote:
Stupifying Eve, One patch at a time.


Really? Before all you had to do was have the right pieces, in the right quantities, and have someone drop them in the POS fuel bay.

Now you've got to have exactly the same pieces (different quantities), but you actually have to have a free manufacturing slot, a researched BPO, and at least a few hours to manufacture the blocks. Sure, it could be easier if you simply BUY the blocks from the market... in which case you're paying someone else to make things easy for you.

I'd imagine anyone who's ever had to futz with fueling a POS welcomes at least some of the change.


makoir Noriad wrote:
One of the many problems with the last patch was there was so much change to the game. They could end up having the same problem with the next one It wont matter how good it is. Ther'll be too much for everyone to take in and people wont like it. Heres hoping they have 3 or 4 small patches over the december month and spoon feed us little bits at a time.


Most of the things they've been discussing have been live on SiSi for at least a little while. A few weeks in some cases, but after building up all that goodwill with the daily Dev blogs and Dev's commenting on the forums I expect CCP will burn a lot of that goodwill with a mess of bugs, followed by CCP taking another few weeks of vacation immediately after the patch hits.
Caghji
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#10 - 2011-11-22 12:06:00 UTC
Fail to understand how this simplifies the refueling system

ATM I transport all my PI and fuel in JF to my POSs

new system I transport all my PI and ice to factory - make fuel blocks - then use JF to go to all POSs

That looks like a new level of complexity to me!?

When I heard they were 'simplyfying' the fuel - especially for players who have 4+ poss - what I had hoped was a drop in m3 in the fuel blocks compared to current fuel m3 - but no it is pretty much the same (if anything a bit more as I never onlined all defences anyway - but now i use max LO so that is actually more m3) -- so might have to do more JF jumps.....

Now not against the whole process but I am a bit baffled about it being 'simplyfied'
Esunisen
Les Tueurs de Killer
#11 - 2011-11-22 12:10:55 UTC
Could't find the fuel block BPOs on Sisi QuestionQuestionQuestion

Not yet release ? Or is it in LP store ?
Lutz Major
Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo
#12 - 2011-11-22 12:17:29 UTC
Caghji wrote:
Fail to understand how this simplifies the refueling system

Well, I give a crap about PI and now I just have to buy ONE item not eight. I also have to check (double/tripple check) ONE timer for the fuel and not eight. Yes .. for me it will be simpler.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#13 - 2011-11-22 15:01:49 UTC
Esunisen wrote:
Could't find the fuel block BPOs on Sisi QuestionQuestionQuestion

Not yet release ? Or is it in LP store ?


Try Thukker Mix corporation - at least that's who I think is going to be selling the BPOs.

(Can't run Sisi at the moment.)

And as soon as you have 2 or more towers to fuel, the fuel pellets will suddenly make your life much easier. Undock in hauler filled with fuel pellets, stop at each tower, fill to brim, go to next tower. No messy math involved during the refueling op (unless you need charters, but those are tiny).

Prior to that it was "plug numbers into spreadsheet, shift-drag 8 or 9 different products to your cargo bay, fly out, fill first tower, fly back, repeat calculations for 2nd tower".
Velicitia
XS Tech
#14 - 2011-11-22 15:28:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
Scrapyard Bob wrote:

Prior to that it was "plug numbers into spreadsheet, shift-drag 8 or 9 different products to your cargo bay, fly out, fill first tower, fly back, repeat calculations for 2nd tower".


I cheated and had IGB calculator ... but yes, it was


  • Check for tower 1
  • load fuel for tower 1
  • Haul the fuel for tower 1, fuel the tower
  • Dock, check for tower 2
  • Load up the fuel
  • Haul the fuel, and fuel the tower
  • ....(time)
  • finally dock up and be done with fuelling the damn towers


now it's going to be

  • get in orca or freighter
  • load up a few hundred m3 of blocks
  • head to tower 1, fill it up
  • head to tower 2, fill it up
  • ... (time)
  • dock up and be done with fuelling for another 3 weeks or so

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Eladaris
Indefinite.
#15 - 2011-11-22 16:37:54 UTC
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
Esunisen wrote:
Could't find the fuel block BPOs on Sisi QuestionQuestionQuestion

Not yet release ? Or is it in LP store ?


Try Thukker Mix corporation - at least that's who I think is going to be selling the BPOs.


According to the early Dev notes, it is indeed Thukker. I haven't checked it out on SiSi either, but that's where they should be seeded.
Boris Ginnungagap
Doomheim
#16 - 2011-11-22 17:54:19 UTC
Dark Privateer wrote:
Stupifying Eve, One patch at a time. Don't make us think or anything and be responsible about something so expensive and important. Hey, fuel blocks are going to be complicated to those in the future in a few years, so could they just run themselves with regenerative power systems that require no maintenance? Hey now, I think I am on to something here....

Seriously you are so wrong.

Think about this when you fill your gas tank next time. Do you throw in fuel components or refined, ready to use fuel?
Zanban
Lava Shark Productions
#17 - 2011-11-22 22:46:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Zanban
Just did the math and as it sits right now to run a amarr large control tower it takes
8 coolant
4 enriched uranium
450 isoptopes
5 mechanical parts
25 oxygen
1 robotics
150 heavy water
150 ozone

That is for 1 hour. With this new system it will take 4 fuel blocks for 1 hour to run a large tower that is
32 coolant
16 enriched uranium
1600 isotopes
16 mechanical parts
80 oxygen
4 robotics
600 heavy water
600 ozone
Double check my math may be off alittle but it look to me that a large tower will cost 4 times the isk to run will this fuel block system. Yes it will be easy to maintane and easier to get your fuel to your POS but at 4X the cost.

Not worth it if you ask me or did I read that wrong
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2011-11-22 22:52:31 UTC
Zanban wrote:
Just did the math and as it sits right now to run a amarr large control tower it takes
8 coolant
4 enriched uranium
450 isoptopes
5 mechanical parts
25 oxygen
1 robotics
150 heavy water
150 ozone

That is for 1 hour. With this new system it will take 4 fuel blocks for 1 hour to run a large tower that is
32 coolant
16 enriched uranium
1600 isotopes
16 mechanical parts
80 oxygen
4 robotics
600 heavy water
600 ozone
Double check my math may be off alittle but it look to me that a large tower will cost 4 times the isk to run will this fuel block system. Yes it will be easy to maintane and easier to get your fuel to your POS but at 4X the cost.

Not worth it if you ask me


Take a deep breath, go back, read the actual devblog carefully, or maybe just read the first few posts of this thread.


Trust me, you'll feel better for it.


I somehow cannot believe people still make this mistake AGAIN and AGAIN!
Zanban
Lava Shark Productions
#19 - 2011-11-22 22:55:55 UTC
Yea your right 1 cycle makes 4 fuel block my bad sorry my mistake
Caghji
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#20 - 2011-11-22 23:28:53 UTC
Lutz Major wrote:
Caghji wrote:
Fail to understand how this simplifies the refueling system

Well, I give a crap about PI and now I just have to buy ONE item not eight. I also have to check (double/tripple check) ONE timer for the fuel and not eight. Yes .. for me it will be simpler.



I presume u mean u 'don't' give a crap.......

shrugs

I can see if you are just buying straight from the market this maybe easier - but then that is only a very small part of the overall fuel process - which imo as a whole has been made more complex not less
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