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eliminator2
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-07-15 16:48:48 UTC
ok so just wondering is it me or does the eagle seem abit underpowered for a HAC i mean yea decent defence but offence seems abit meh. I'd like to hear everyone else view on the eagle as a pvp ship v other hacs
Xylem Viliana
homeless bum
#2 - 2014-07-15 17:03:08 UTC
Eagle is a bit of an oddball in a way, it looks like it could be pretty good with being a bit tough due to bonus's (4% per HAC level to shield resistance) but its only damage bonus comes from HAC skill at 5% per level (this is from memory so might not be correct) the opti bonus is nice and would make it lean towards being a sniper however the Naga does it better at half the cost.

While I "could" fly the eagle I dont see any real reason to other than RP issues but im sure there are people out there (there must be) that have used the eagle and can perhaps enlighten me and TC a bit. either that or i could just test it i guess but I have other things to do.
eliminator2
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-07-15 17:12:13 UTC
yea i use the moa right now does the job and has more dps just abit less tank but oh well its alot cheaper
Odithia
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2014-07-15 17:18:35 UTC
It's a slow fatass that has no drones (don't trust the visible dronebay, it's just deception).
It could be a pretty good fleet ship, but the Sentry Ishtar and Rail Tengu do the expensive sniping better.
Also the cheaper and tankier Ferox and Naga don't help.
Dvesk Sunie
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-07-15 22:09:28 UTC
Those who state that eagle is a bad fleet ship probably haven't seen rail eagle which can hit up to 140km and do almost 400dps. Now combine this with 85%++ resists across field and basis and Balex sac fleet can only hope to tickle it.
Eagle is the underdog as a HAC fleet ship. People still think rails are ****. Do the math, check EFT, rail eagle fleet can not be kited,with webs on field they can not be brawled. It has one of the highest buffer tank compared to other HACs and damage projection is instant, easy to manage and effective.

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Odithia
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2014-07-15 22:39:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Odithia
You're in luck, I have some time to lose !

http://imgur.com/3Y17qQu
http://imgur.com/8hlyCQc

I'll let you guess the color (hint, the eagle is bottom)

Quickly made sub optimal fit but it show the problem discussed.
Armor Ishtar for the sake of having its tank close-ish to eagle level.

The eagle could use a double damage mod actualy. It would lose its niche but it's not that good in this niche to begin with.
Or more PG/CPU.
Or some speed.
Or a drone bay.
Or more shield HP.
Hadrian Blackstone
Yamato Holdings
#7 - 2014-07-15 23:51:47 UTC
What's the raw DPS/HP of a heavy blaster Eagle? Provided you could fit neutrons, I think it'd be decent.
Jazmyn Stone
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-07-16 00:39:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jazmyn Stone
eliminator2 wrote:
yea i use the moa right now does the job and has more dps just abit less tank but oh well its alot cheaper



Yes, the Moa actually does have more dps, even without using it's 3 drones.

My Moa:

5x250mm Rails T2, Caldari antimatter, 4xMFS II . . . 542dps

My Eagle:

5x250mm Rails T2, Caldari antimatter, 4xMFS II . . . 521dps

However, my Moa has a fall-off range within 33km, and optimal range within 18km. My Eagle, has a fall-off range of 52km, and optimal range within 37km.

Hope that helps

-Jaz

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-07-16 01:42:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Voyager Arran
It's the poor-man's Rail Tengu and does a pretty good job of it for about half the cost, but Ishtars exist so it's hard to find a reason to fly anything else in that weight class and especially things that shoot kin/therm damage since it means they're going to have an even rougher time dealing with Ishtars themselves.

If Ishtars were vaguely balanced Rail Eagles would be a solid mid-level fleet.
Deerin
East Trading Co Ltd
#10 - 2014-07-16 05:14:56 UTC
Odithia wrote:
You're in luck, I have some time to lose !

http://imgur.com/3Y17qQu
http://imgur.com/8hlyCQc

I'll let you guess the color (hint, the eagle is bottom)

Quickly made sub optimal fit but it show the problem discussed.
Armor Ishtar for the sake of having its tank close-ish to eagle level.

The eagle could use a double damage mod actualy. It would lose its niche but it's not that good in this niche to begin with.
Or more PG/CPU.
Or some speed.
Or a drone bay.
Or more shield HP.


You are neglecting tracking and lower gun signature, which is the reason to actually use eagle.

Rail Eagle is a bad solo ship, but a very nice fleet ship.
Odithia
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2014-07-16 08:13:31 UTC
Deerin wrote:


You are neglecting tracking and lower gun signature, which is the reason to actually use eagle.

Rail Eagle is a bad solo ship, but a very nice fleet ship.


This link show damages against an Ishtar with maximum transversal.
http://imgur.com/8hlyCQc

This link show damage against an ishtar with maximum transversal and MWD ON.
http://imgur.com/aC8BCUv

Versus a frigate, the eagle win !
eliminator2
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-07-16 08:55:48 UTC
nice to see alot of views for the eagle

it seems to be decent using rails and long range but sadly i like my close range in ur face brawler ships so will make a pass lol XD
Odithia
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2014-07-16 11:20:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Odithia
Hadrian Blackstone wrote:
What's the raw DPS/HP of a heavy blaster Eagle? Provided you could fit neutrons, I think it'd be decent.

http://imgur.com/N7NvbVg

Could try something like that.
11km falloff with antimater but it's just 458 DPS at optimal.
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#14 - 2014-07-16 12:36:06 UTC
Voyager Arran wrote:

If Ishtars were vaguely balanced Rail Eagles would be a solid mid-level fleet.


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Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#15 - 2014-07-16 16:52:51 UTC
Odithia wrote:
You're in luck, I have some time to lose !

http://imgur.com/3Y17qQu
http://imgur.com/8hlyCQc

I'll let you guess the color (hint, the eagle is bottom)

Quickly made sub optimal fit but it show the problem discussed.
Armor Ishtar for the sake of having its tank close-ish to eagle level.

The eagle could use a double damage mod actualy. It would lose its niche but it's not that good in this niche to begin with.
Or more PG/CPU.
Or some speed.
Or a drone bay.
Or more shield HP.


It's a ship i hate/hated. Still, there is no one better at killing tacklers and pods than the guy from my alliance who has 200million SP in Caldari (Who flies it instead of an ishtar). A combination of the Sig-Rad of the guns and there tracking speed is makes it optimal for this.

Also Sentry drones are getting old in fleets - stealth bomber alts are prolific now.
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#16 - 2014-07-16 22:33:56 UTC
The Eagle is going to look really nice after the HAC rebalance.

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GreenSeed
#17 - 2014-07-17 04:21:35 UTC
Val'Dore wrote:
The Eagle is going to look really nice after the HAC rebalance.

did they do that already?

oh wait, i see what you did there...
Deerin
East Trading Co Ltd
#18 - 2014-07-17 05:24:51 UTC
Odithia wrote:
Deerin wrote:


You are neglecting tracking and lower gun signature, which is the reason to actually use eagle.

Rail Eagle is a bad solo ship, but a very nice fleet ship.


This link show damages against an Ishtar with maximum transversal.
http://imgur.com/8hlyCQc

This link show damage against an ishtar with maximum transversal and MWD ON.
http://imgur.com/aC8BCUv

Versus a frigate, the eagle win !


So it is actually balanced vs a naga somehow for cruiser size combat, and superior in long range anti tackler duty.

Ishtar though, is another beast.....and that's a problem with ishtar. Not Eagle.
Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-07-17 06:31:38 UTC
ask NC.

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afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2014-07-17 12:11:12 UTC  |  Edited by: afkalt
I want to like them, I really do. But every time I fit one, there's a ship that is better.

Blaster ship: Deimos
Mid range DPS: ishtar
Long range DPS: ishtar/naga/potentially cerb for damage selection.
Extreme ranges: no point

Sure, it has a sturdy tank, but that's not enough for me to use it. It's just outshone by something else at every level everywhere else.

It's annoying because I REALLY like it, I'd just like to be able to use it and not feel I'd be a greater asset in a different ship. I'd be flying it in spite of itself.
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