My EVE

If you define expanding and having fun in EVE solely as gaining sov, and you don't want to join any corp/alliance which is large or powerful enough (including allies) to do something like that, then yes, all is futile.

I am playing EVE very casually, and I am in a corp and alliance I'd call medium-sized at best, compared to what I see elsewhere number-wise. More like a small alliance. We still have sov, even if not a lot, and I am accepted and welcome despite my casual playing.

Aside from that I am pretty sure there is tons of other stuff one can do in EVE which has nothing to do with SOV nullsec.

Edit: grammar

I don't think that narrow view of expanding in the game has affected players like Chribba.

There are other examples of player built empires and near monopolies that don't involve holding sov (eg. frog freight services, somer, EOH, etc.).

Sov is not necessarily the end game.

OP wants to gain sov by killing boars in a forest all day.

Then you read a thread & realise that no matter how simple the words are, some people just can't read properly.

This right here is your problem. You're focused on good times and happy memories with your internet friends. Your competition is focused on winning.



Again, you're focused on good times while they're focused on winning. Calling your competition names doesn't change the fact that they're winning and you're not.

If you want to expand beyond your current EvE existence, then stop playing for good times with your friends and start playing to win. Or just accept the fact that you're a loser like the rest of us.

Eleanor ....

In a GAME where WINNING is impossible - how does one WIN?

It seems I missed the ccp message that said "You win eve by..."

Eve is a sandbox, if you want to win something somehow you first ´have to decide what you want to win. There is no global winning condition. But if winning for you means to have sov, but you are unwilling to do what needs to be done to get sov then well that sucks for you...I guess.

There is no universally acceptable way to 'win' Eve. But this doesn't mean there is no competition and no goals to achieve. You could say that thanks to the open way EvE plays, the competition is much more cut-throat then most other MMO's that have defined goals like max level or top gear raids.

In EvE, the goals are many & diverse, sov is just one of those, marketplay another, etc. To be the among the best in any given goal in EvE, you need to dedicate alot of time for it. However, there's plenty of corporations out there who don't aim to be 'The Best' but aim for fun times (note, The Best players can also be fun to hang out with, as you all share a common goal, they're just more dedicated)

In the end, you have to decide what you want in eve: To be the best? Then you'll have to sacrifice some things in order to achieve it. Want to play it for good times with friends and relaxed play, you also have to make choices.
Just as in real-life, you cannot be succesful and have a laid-back life at the same time.

PS: I'm competing in the EvE reporting business, while I'm not yet in the league of the big boys, I managed to carve out my niche, it just needs some dedication & help from friends. So yes, there's more, much more then just Sov to compete over!

I have started asking what people mean when they say certain words, and so now I will ask you.

What is your definition of successful

and then...

How do you define success in Eve

then to top that all off, please do the same with "a laid-back life"

as a Mr/Mrs/Miss Eve Player,

tl;dr

who wants lemon soda? only 100 ISK !