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[ISODE] Values & Institutions: A Call for Restoration
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Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#61 - 2014-07-16 22:49:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Was it a mighty display of this "tolerance" which killed her, hmm?


Pretty sure it was a projectile, actually.

Anyways, the OP is pretty sound. I think Placid should be able to vote.

Vote for secession! To Ishukone. Naturally.

Katrina Oniseki
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#62 - 2014-07-16 23:06:43 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Was it a mighty display of this "tolerance" which killed her, hmm?


Pretty sure it was a projectile, actually.

Anyways, the OP is pretty sound. I think Placid should be able to vote.

Vote for secession! To Ishukone. Naturally.

TO ISHUKONE!!!!!!


......Wait, that's not right.... What was it? Ah, yes...


TO CLAUDIA!!!!!!!

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#63 - 2014-07-17 18:27:44 UTC
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Karynn Denton wrote:
Jinari Otsito wrote:
I still don't get democracy. A significant chunk of dirtsiders, spacers and eggers are idiots and deficient in some way. Why would you ever entrust something as important as governance to these people? Let those who have earned it lead. If they're not good enough, time will show that rather sharpish.

Popular votes lead to people like Heth grabbing the reins because they were flashy and got the masses of morons blubbering for them. Using that as a system of governance is quite demonstrably insane.


And as far as I know, the average Federal citizen or politician doesn't have access to elders, Khargai or Shamen to impart the councel and wisdom of their ancestor spirits... how can you have effective decision making without them?

I agree, Pilot Otsito; it is an insane system.


Gallentean democracy is the idea that the impulse or uninformed opinion of the drug-swallowing individual is every bit as "right" and should have as much impact on policy as the informed, educated decisions of shamen, chiefs, and elders, arrived at via experience and evidence.

Silly nonsense, it is. Glad we've gotten past that.


Forgive me if I trust the decision of "drug swallowers" over the Shaman's who still file sword fights as effective dispute resolution tools.

Or are we done making horrible generalizations simply for the sake of having our voices heard?

Best wishes on your endeavour Mr. Thiesant.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#64 - 2014-07-17 18:36:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Claudia Osyn
Vizage wrote:


are we done making horrible generalizations simply for the sake of having our voices heard?


I predict we will be done with that about the same time our spices no longer requires oxygen to survive.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#65 - 2014-07-17 18:46:25 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Vizage wrote:


are we done making horrible generalizations simply for the sake of having our voices heard?


I predict we will be done with that about the same time our spices no longer requires oxygen to survive.


I often keep my spices vacuum packed if I'm going to be away from my kitchen for long periods of time - keeping them away from oxygen can keep them fresher for much longer if I'm not going to be cooking with them for awhile.

Especially the fresh ones.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#66 - 2014-07-17 18:49:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Vizage
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Vizage wrote:


are we done making horrible generalizations simply for the sake of having our voices heard?


I predict we will be done with that about the same time our spices no longer requires oxygen to survive.


I often keep my spices vacuum packed if I'm going to be away from my kitchen for long periods of time - keeping them away from oxygen can keep them fresher for much longer if I'm not going to be cooking with them for awhile.

Especially the fresh ones.


Beat me to it Mr. Tuulinen , beat me to it..
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#67 - 2014-07-17 19:07:45 UTC
Damnit... Species. SPECIES!!! Evil


((Stupid phone))

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Laurentis Thiesant
Institute of Social Development
#68 - 2014-07-17 20:08:21 UTC
Vizage wrote:
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Karynn Denton wrote:
Jinari Otsito wrote:
I still don't get democracy. A significant chunk of dirtsiders, spacers and eggers are idiots and deficient in some way. Why would you ever entrust something as important as governance to these people? Let those who have earned it lead. If they're not good enough, time will show that rather sharpish.

Popular votes lead to people like Heth grabbing the reins because they were flashy and got the masses of morons blubbering for them. Using that as a system of governance is quite demonstrably insane.


And as far as I know, the average Federal citizen or politician doesn't have access to elders, Khargai or Shamen to impart the councel and wisdom of their ancestor spirits... how can you have effective decision making without them?

I agree, Pilot Otsito; it is an insane system.


Gallentean democracy is the idea that the impulse or uninformed opinion of the drug-swallowing individual is every bit as "right" and should have as much impact on policy as the informed, educated decisions of shamen, chiefs, and elders, arrived at via experience and evidence.

Silly nonsense, it is. Glad we've gotten past that.


Forgive me if I trust the decision of "drug swallowers" over the Shaman's who still file sword fights as effective dispute resolution tools.

Or are we done making horrible generalizations simply for the sake of having our voices heard?

Best wishes on your endeavour Mr. Thiesant.



Thank you, Captain Vizage. Relevance is always appreciated.
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#69 - 2014-07-19 11:06:25 UTC
Vizage wrote:
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Karynn Denton wrote:
Jinari Otsito wrote:
I still don't get democracy. A significant chunk of dirtsiders, spacers and eggers are idiots and deficient in some way. Why would you ever entrust something as important as governance to these people? Let those who have earned it lead. If they're not good enough, time will show that rather sharpish.

Popular votes lead to people like Heth grabbing the reins because they were flashy and got the masses of morons blubbering for them. Using that as a system of governance is quite demonstrably insane.


And as far as I know, the average Federal citizen or politician doesn't have access to elders, Khargai or Shamen to impart the councel and wisdom of their ancestor spirits... how can you have effective decision making without them?

I agree, Pilot Otsito; it is an insane system.


Gallentean democracy is the idea that the impulse or uninformed opinion of the drug-swallowing individual is every bit as "right" and should have as much impact on policy as the informed, educated decisions of shamen, chiefs, and elders, arrived at via experience and evidence.

Silly nonsense, it is. Glad we've gotten past that.


Forgive me if I trust the decision of "drug swallowers" over the Shaman's who still file sword fights as effective dispute resolution tools.

Or are we done making horrible generalizations simply for the sake of having our voices heard?

Best wishes on your endeavour Mr. Thiesant.


You're right. We should all drink cups of tea and see who dies instead.

Stereotyping on partial information is fun, you're right!

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#70 - 2014-07-19 11:53:17 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
Vizage wrote:
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Karynn Denton wrote:
Jinari Otsito wrote:
I still don't get democracy. A significant chunk of dirtsiders, spacers and eggers are idiots and deficient in some way. Why would you ever entrust something as important as governance to these people? Let those who have earned it lead. If they're not good enough, time will show that rather sharpish.

Popular votes lead to people like Heth grabbing the reins because they were flashy and got the masses of morons blubbering for them. Using that as a system of governance is quite demonstrably insane.


And as far as I know, the average Federal citizen or politician doesn't have access to elders, Khargai or Shamen to impart the councel and wisdom of their ancestor spirits... how can you have effective decision making without them?

I agree, Pilot Otsito; it is an insane system.


Gallentean democracy is the idea that the impulse or uninformed opinion of the drug-swallowing individual is every bit as "right" and should have as much impact on policy as the informed, educated decisions of shamen, chiefs, and elders, arrived at via experience and evidence.

Silly nonsense, it is. Glad we've gotten past that.


Forgive me if I trust the decision of "drug swallowers" over the Shaman's who still file sword fights as effective dispute resolution tools.

Or are we done making horrible generalizations simply for the sake of having our voices heard?

Best wishes on your endeavour Mr. Thiesant.


You're right. We should all drink cups of tea and see who dies instead.

Stereotyping on partial information is fun, you're right!


I wonder from whom I got that idea from....?

Now given the format I can't really nod to the large quote above me with any subtly but I think you get the idea.

Or should we start looking at standard of living indexes as well?
Charles Cambridge Schmidt
Nadire Security Consultants
Federation Peacekeepers
#71 - 2014-07-19 12:58:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Charles Cambridge Schmidt
I'm really glad to read people comparing democracy to slavery, calling Federal citizens either drug abusers or disgruntled shamans, terrible self-righteousness from several parties, people saying that the actions of a lone individual were allowed by a government (though I try to avoid being smarmy, how would that ever make sense), et cetera. Not to say a few democractically-aligned individuals aren't stirring the pot, as well. I do hope some of the people here sincerely do not think this way.

Lovely pieces from Ayallah, and I say that with no sarcasm.

I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.
Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#72 - 2014-07-19 13:11:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyllsa Siikanen
Charles Cambridge Schmidt wrote:

Kyllsa, I'm honestly a bit disappointed. Not sure that fact matters to anyone, though.


It matters to me.

I am not perfect. Sometimes, I have difficulty expressing exactly what it is that I wish to convey. Sometimes, my emotions run away with my good sense. Sometimes, I say or do things that I wish I had not, or that had an impact all out of whack with what I intended.

In short; I'm sorry.

K

“Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.” 

― C.S. Lewis 
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#73 - 2014-07-21 06:36:44 UTC
Laurentis Thiesant wrote:

Times are changing, and the Federation's response to ongoing conflicts in low security systems must adapt with them in order to defend the integrity and longevity of our democratic institutions.

And we would be infinitely grateful if you would use same resources for keeping these filthy democratic stuff to yourself and prevent it from spreading and infecting zones outside of Federation.

Laurentis Thiesant wrote:

The troubles during the Mantenault referendum prove with considerable certainty that it is harder to reclaim our institutions then it is to maintain them.

Obviously, without gallentean propaganda, peoples can make rational decisions themselves and ditch out inefficient and dangerous democratic elements.
Thus I have a nice proposition to you: put all your resources into defending your remaining democratic stuff, and keep your damn gallentean noses out of other peoples business, or prepare your noses to meeting with Caldari boots.

Laurentis Thiesant wrote:

[b]President Roden, honourable members of the Senate - lets make sure that this time, Placid and any other occupied systems have a say on the Federate stage. Countless successful local and district elections have proven it can be done. The rightful concerns of the past have elapsed, and so it's time to move forward.

If we cleaned system out of degrading gallentean influence, it doesn't mean you will be welcome there.

Laurentis Thiesant wrote:

Do something good.

Yes. Do something good. Kill a gallentean occupant, and fight for your own worlds, for your own business and your own destiny! Without greedy gallentean hand over your assets.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#74 - 2014-07-21 06:42:11 UTC
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:


Gallentean democracy is the idea that the impulse or uninformed opinion of the drug-swallowing individual is every bit as "right" and should have as much impact on policy as the informed, educated decisions of shamen, chiefs, and elders, arrived at via experience and evidence.

Silly nonsense, it is. Glad we've gotten past that.

Somehow, I am glad as well.
Now, if you could stop war against the Empire and the State...

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#75 - 2014-07-21 07:01:36 UTC
Vizage wrote:

Forgive me if I trust the decision of "drug swallowers" over the Shaman's who still file sword fights as effective dispute resolution tools.

I would never trust a drug swallower and...
What is wrong with sword fights, Ms. Amsel? I would gladly solve all my disputes by a sword fight.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Karynn Denton
Lekhantsi Salvage Depot
#76 - 2014-07-21 07:14:39 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
I would never trust a drug swallower


Neither would I.

Seriously, taking drugs orally is so dull, given all of the fun options out there.
You've got membranes, damp rags, hookahs, intravenous dispensers...

Karynn Denton

Caravan Master
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#77 - 2014-07-21 16:19:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Vizage
Diana Kim wrote:
Vizage wrote:

Forgive me if I trust the decision of "drug swallowers" over the Shaman's who still file sword fights as effective dispute resolution tools.

I would never trust a drug swallower and...
What is wrong with sword fights, Ms. Amsel? I would gladly solve all my disputes by a sword fight.


Sword fights prove the stronger or more skilled are rewarded instead of the merit of one's argument. Meritocracy Ms. Kim look it up. It shares a lot more in common with Democracy than the last six letters.

-K
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#78 - 2014-07-21 16:48:24 UTC
Vizage wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Vizage wrote:

Forgive me if I trust the decision of "drug swallowers" over the Shaman's who still file sword fights as effective dispute resolution tools.

I would never trust a drug swallower and...
What is wrong with sword fights, Ms. Amsel? I would gladly solve all my disputes by a sword fight.


Sword fights prove the stronger or more skilled are rewarded instead of the merit of one's argument. Meritocracy Ms. kim look it up. It shares a lot more in common with Democracy than the last six letters.

-K


Thank you very much, Haani, for pointing out that our culture does not just come down to 'supremacy of the strongest'. That's one way of defining meritocracy, but only for tasks requiring brute strength, in my experience.

This, Kim-haani, is what the person who said you often don't follow State culture was talking about.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#79 - 2014-07-21 19:11:52 UTC
... swords. Bits of metal, poking into other people's squicky bits.

Did any of you lot ever figure out how to bang the rocks together? That applying heat to food will cook it? You damn sure aren't up here, dancing in starflares with the rest of us, are you?

... swords, for the love of profits. You people are flat out nuts.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#80 - 2014-07-21 19:44:11 UTC
It is unfortunate, if not unexpected, to see the continued derailment of this discussion by petty bickering. Shall we move on and perhaps demonstrate that the IGS can contribute substance in addition to its typical hysterics in reaction to the latest controversy to hit the holos news echo chamber?

Loyal patriots of the Federation should take this for thoughtful opportunity to organize in favor of concrete policy change. We can ensure that the disenfranchisement of our fellow citizens does not continue, and we should.