These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Character baazar flooded by high SP characters.
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Jeremy Fischer1
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2014-07-16 11:11:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeremy Fischer1
Christina Project wrote:
Jeremy Fischer1 wrote:
Grunanca wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:
For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week.
Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate :
1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK

I wonder why :
- people stop playing
- people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.

Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?


If anything, blame the blue doughnut... People burn out really fast when there is no action, and combine this with each side of the 0.0 coalitions hotdropping anything down to a single cruiser in a low sec, killing off the action that used to happen there. EVE hasn't been more boring that this for a very long time... 0.0 enities making their wallets fat are killing off anything to use these isk for just as fast.

All you can hope for is that some part of 0.0 realises this at some point soon. Untill then.. Gratz to the goons, you said you would ruin the game and you did it! Of course with the help fromy uor enemies, but does it matter as long as you reached the goal?

Nullsec is where it's at anyway, what you doing in empire space?

Not boring himself in mostly empty space,
surrounded mostly by nullbears who hide from afk cloakers.

All the people are in empire space,
including lots of nullseccers.


Come out to Catch, never empty or boring. You want to get hot dropped that's your own business, everyone will laugh at you when it happens.
Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#82 - 2014-07-16 11:22:57 UTC
Jeremy Fischer1 wrote:
Christina Project wrote:
Jeremy Fischer1 wrote:
Grunanca wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:
For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week.
Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate :
1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK

I wonder why :
- people stop playing
- people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.

Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?


If anything, blame the blue doughnut... People burn out really fast when there is no action, and combine this with each side of the 0.0 coalitions hotdropping anything down to a single cruiser in a low sec, killing off the action that used to happen there. EVE hasn't been more boring that this for a very long time... 0.0 enities making their wallets fat are killing off anything to use these isk for just as fast.

All you can hope for is that some part of 0.0 realises this at some point soon. Untill then.. Gratz to the goons, you said you would ruin the game and you did it! Of course with the help fromy uor enemies, but does it matter as long as you reached the goal?

Nullsec is where it's at anyway, what you doing in empire space?

Not boring himself in mostly empty space,
surrounded mostly by nullbears who hide from afk cloakers.

All the people are in empire space,
including lots of nullseccers.


Come out to Catch, never empty or boring. You want to get hot dropped that's your own business, everyone will laugh at you when it happens.

Catch. Which isn't all of nullsec.
Your "argument" is none.

[i]"Don't look into another human's bowl to see how much he has ... ... look into his bowl to see if he has enough !" - Sol[/i]
Assassin 1O1
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#83 - 2014-07-16 11:34:35 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week.
Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate :
1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK

I wonder why :
- people stop playing
- people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.

Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?


EVE is Always dying, but in EVE people just come back to life. I quit some years ago, and recently came back. Back then being a professional schizofrenic was simpler in New Eden, so now that I have come back it's simple to sell off a few characters to liquidate some ISK. To be honest, I've seen a staggering amount of folks from my days returning, and subsequently selling off high SP characters, T1 blueprint collections, T2 BPO's, supercapitals, etc.

Incidentally, yes, this character is for sale, and it's the lowest skillpoint character I'll be putting up for sale :P One of a dozen.

By the way, I fully expect PLEX prices to hit 2B before the end of the year. I can advise Faction Warfare for quick grinds to afford them, it's simpler than most may think. Alternatively you can always join a major Alliance block, get on the moon train, and join the plex cartels. What already was beginning in my days is quite recognisable these days, PLEX has become the equivalent of a golden standard, similar to the gold deposits utilised following the Bretton Woods Accords. It's got nothing to do with supply & demand, not one bit. But you are required to believe in that mechanism ,,,

No wonder CCP's economist quit :-)
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#84 - 2014-07-16 14:27:54 UTC
The CB is where the really rich players go when PLEX speculation doesn't cut it for profit anymore. You are not gambling 10B on PLEX. You are gambling 2 plus trillion on characters.

The current situation could be something as simple as these speculators having found a better investment and so are dumping characters to consolidate their ISK. Maybe moving back into PLEX or maybe they've identified something most haven't in an upcoming update.

High SP character trading is not much of an indicator of game health as they are treated as a commodity and not actual characters.

Mr Epeen Cool
Thomas Abernathy
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#85 - 2014-07-16 16:21:05 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
"hurr durr eve is dying"

Some people train toons specifically to sell them and make bank.


Yes, Eve is not dying...Eve-offlline.net shows such wonderful progress since the last patch...right? Shocked

"Fighting CCD since 2139"
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#86 - 2014-07-16 18:38:49 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Icarus Able wrote:
Theyve already started putting on the launcher a plex rates are high sign with a link to the buy plex page. Although thats probably not enough.

Not just probably, but very very likely. Even a brief glance at the PLEX market history will show that there's pretty much nothing to suggest that higher PLEX (ISK) prices leads to more (RL) PLEX purchases. Reminding people of that high price won't make much of difference if/since the price (obviously) isn't enough to draw in customers.


Nonsense. EVE Players, like every other person on the planet responds to incentives. A high PLEX price is certainly an incentive that will certainly drive more players to buy them, if their motivation is to sell them for in game currency. Market history is a poor tool for analyzing these numbers, as it doesn't capture all PLEX trade (nor even give us a hint of the % of all PLEX trade it represents) or take stockpiling behavior into account. You should know that.

Only CCP knows exactly how many people are buying them, and they aren't going to give you that info.

If you don't think CCP isn't manipulating the price of PLEX for their benefit - you are naive.
I've clearly shown how it can (and probably is) being done using in-game mechanics.

There is nothing (except ethics, lol) preventing CCP from artificially constraining PLEX supply, juice prices and spur ISK-buying/RMT behavior.

And for those who think this Herr Wilkus complaining about PLEX, I'm not. I think its hilarious what CCP is doing to its younger player base. I'm actually quite content with high PLEX prices - because I consider ISK to be Monopoly money, easily made by passive means. I want younger players to have to suffer longer hours of dull, dull grinding to buy them.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2014-07-16 18:43:34 UTC
^^Mr. Wilkus, your theory in the other post doesn't make any sense. Wouldn't we see runaway inflation because ISK is magically being injected into the system?

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#88 - 2014-07-16 18:47:58 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
^^Mr. Wilkus, your theory in the other post doesn't make any sense. Wouldn't we see runaway inflation because ISK is magically being injected into the system?


ISK is being magically injected into the system, yes.
Your ISK reserves are being devalued through CCP's policy of managed inflation, yes.

However, this is just one source amongst many existing ISK faucets.

'Runaway' inflation does not necessarily follow.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2014-07-16 18:53:26 UTC
Wouldn't buying a bunch of PLEX raise the demand? Wouldn't that just further raise prices? CCP can't manipulate any prices unless they are constantly *selling* PLEX at a low ISK value.. and why would CCP give away real money for free?

My spidey sense tingling makes me think that our conversation may be contributing to a topic lock..

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#90 - 2014-07-16 21:41:51 UTC
Thomas Abernathy wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
"hurr durr eve is dying"

Some people train toons specifically to sell them and make bank.


Yes, Eve is not dying...Eve-offlline.net shows such wonderful progress since the last patch...right? Shocked


Oh? Has Eve-offline started tracking the number of paying customers CCP has now?

Great news!!!

View the latest EVE Online developments and other game related news and gameplay by visiting Ranger 1 Presents: Virtual Realms.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#91 - 2014-07-17 01:47:39 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:
especially when you calculate :
1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK



This isn't accurate. Plex has only very recently hit 800mil, and those of us in the 100mil+ club have been playing since before plex even existed. While sure, if you were to buy enough plex now to train a character up to 100mil SP, you'd have to pay 800m per month, those of us that plexed when the feature came out did so for a much smaller prices. Additionally, you're paying for wasted, or not fully useful SP, as well as bulk value. You're getting a huge package of skills together, as opposed to a specific specialized pilot role, so the price is going to be cheaper.

Now, while I might agree that 120mil SP pilots aren't selling for as much as they should, (I'm worth more than 50 measly billion, goddamnyou.) Characters are only worth what people are willing to pay for them.


plex might not have been there but you could still buy Game Time Cards on the forums. I miss being able to get 90d for 290m Lol

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#92 - 2014-07-17 03:30:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Super spikinator
flakeys wrote:
Steve Celeste wrote:
100m+ chars with good names are still extremely rare.



What's wrong with my name "? Blink


CCP, an Icelandic company, wont allow us to have fun with Icelandic special characters. That is what is wrong with everyone's name.
Grunanca
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#93 - 2014-07-17 10:23:10 UTC
Jeremy Fischer1 wrote:
Grunanca wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:
For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week.
Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate :
1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK

I wonder why :
- people stop playing
- people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.

Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?


If anything, blame the blue doughnut... People burn out really fast when there is no action, and combine this with each side of the 0.0 coalitions hotdropping anything down to a single cruiser in a low sec, killing off the action that used to happen there. EVE hasn't been more boring that this for a very long time... 0.0 enities making their wallets fat are killing off anything to use these isk for just as fast.

All you can hope for is that some part of 0.0 realises this at some point soon. Untill then.. Gratz to the goons, you said you would ruin the game and you did it! Of course with the help fromy uor enemies, but does it matter as long as you reached the goal?

Nullsec is where it's at anyway, what you doing in empire space?


Having fun... Fighting when I want to, not when some times goes off in the middle of the night. (and often with smaller numbers, so your own effort counts for more) Being able to go away for weeks/months when I dont feel like playing, and know that the station I live in is still there to use when I come back.
Anthar Thebess
#94 - 2014-07-17 10:31:09 UTC
Grunanca wrote:


Having fun... Fighting when I want to, not when some times goes off in the middle of the night. (and often with smaller numbers, so your own effort counts for more) Being able to go away for weeks/months when I dont feel like playing, and know that the station I live in is still there to use when I come back.


How do you like play lately ?
I hope that CCP never decides to make NPC stations destroyable , just because things you stated.
Player outposts , is a different story.

Stop discrimination, help in a fight against terrorists

Show your support to The Cause!
Grunanca
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#95 - 2014-07-18 08:17:52 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Grunanca wrote:


Having fun... Fighting when I want to, not when some times goes off in the middle of the night. (and often with smaller numbers, so your own effort counts for more) Being able to go away for weeks/months when I dont feel like playing, and know that the station I live in is still there to use when I come back.


How do you like play lately ?
I hope that CCP never decides to make NPC stations destroyable , just because things you stated.
Player outposts , is a different story.


Currently due to a broken graphics card, holidays and the sun shining, all I have been doing has been moon mining and L5 missions once a week. Before that I liked low sec pvp in low sec areas as people cant light a cyno inside plexes, which keeps the 0.0 powerblocs bored in a station, while we have fun with equal sized gangs instead of 100 vs 10 ganks.
Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#96 - 2014-07-18 10:56:36 UTC
I used to cruise through different promotional offers to sell 10-15m SP focussed characters. Although with the current PLEX prices it's getting exceedingly hard to make a profit on this.

I think the current prices are making it a little harder to keep 4-5-6-7-... accounts active as well, so I wouldn't be surprised if some people are just selling the alt they aren't using for some ISK.
Speedkermit Damo
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#97 - 2014-07-18 11:39:46 UTC
Tippia wrote:
[quote=Anthar Thebess]Also, if people stop playing, they don't sell their characters — after all, what would be the point?


RMT?

Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2014-07-18 21:03:43 UTC
Some seriously stupid replies here. "people make chars just to sell." on a 100 million SP toon?

That's going into 5 years just sitting on a toon. Bullshit.

48 months * 1 plex @ 600m average across that time = 28.8 billion

That's just in just PLEX based account maintenance costs, not counting books to train skills with.

A better answer is multiple-chars per account.

You have players who'll quit the game who have a lot of accounts. Over a 5-7 year window, they'll fill those accounts with higher SP toons.

5-10 PEOPLE quite and 20-30 100 mill+ SP chars can quite easily go up for sale - more in some cases.

bonehead friggn "storing chars for 5 years to sell them!"... That is a moronic reply and would cost those people more than those char's will sell for.
Serge Okinas Ohaya
Doomheim
#99 - 2014-07-19 02:02:53 UTC
Mocam wrote:
That is a moronic reply and would cost those people more than those char's will sell for.


This is only the case with true incubation alts that are never used. Some players do sell that kind, but most actually have a use for their alts then sell them when it's convient. Yes, they often sell them for less than current PLEX/month, but you have to keep in mind most of the chars lifetime PLEX wasn't this high, and they were actually making isk with that char. So no counting the old sunk cost and pretending there was no gain by having the char is a really amature way to perform accounting.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#100 - 2014-07-19 03:01:15 UTC
I took a tengu alt (for sale) for a spin myself in a wormhole. Pretty fun.

It sold with some added probing skills, not bad value.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?