Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It's both, dude. The very premise of this thread is what's contradictory, and I can correct both points it's trying to make.

It claims it makes it harder for new players to get corps. This is false. I get into corps all the time.

It claims that removing awoxing will make people less suspicious of new players. Also false. There are plenty of reasons to be suspicious of a new player besides this. Opsec will not stop being necessary if awoxing goes away.

The entire premise is nonsensical. It's using new players, which are an emotionally sympathetic idea, as a smokescreen to try and make highsec more safe. The other thread has merit, as the tutorials desperately need revamped, and the new player areas should be removed from the rest of the game so we don't have to worry about tripping over them in half of Gallente space.

L2Read.

It's not a contradiction. There are reasons to be suspicious of new players. This does not stop them from getting into corps.

Am I using too many big words?

Don't make things up, NPC alt. Your opinion isn't relevant here anyway, even if you weren't openly lying.

Oh, forgive me, relevant is too big of a word.

You not matter. Post with real toon. Ook ook.

You haven't even read my post, how can you even tell?

The fact that there are reasons to be suspicious of new players does not contradict the fact that it is not difficult for them to get into corps. The two concepts coexist nicely.

What I can't reconcile is the fact that NPC alts are still allowed to post in F&I. Or post anywhere besides the Newbie forum to be honest, since with few exceptions you people almost universally **** on normal discourse. Much like you're doing here.

You're mistaken if you think that you being deliberately obtuse is angering, NPC alt. Amusing, perhaps. Pitiable, certainly.

Now, assuming you actually can read and you aren't having this dictated to you, go read my post. There is no contradiction between the two concepts. They simultaneously exist in the game right now.

You just proved his point.

Fixed.

This particular topic has been brought up several times since crimewatch 2.0.

The original implementation was a crutch fix because there was no duel mechanic to allow live testing of fits. This then got used to allow risk free ganking. Now it's being abused in places with neutral logi to allow even more risk free ganking.

Removing this bizarre exception to the rules can only be a good thing for the game to increase consistency & simplicity of the rule set. We should not need massive volumes to document all the tiny little exceptions to standard rules.

And Awoxing can still occur in a number of ways, it will just now actually require some skill into talking them into duels or other situations, and some risk to the awoxer, which is good.

This is 'possibly' true. I interpret differently what risk someone in a custom made PvP boat in highsec faces when going after a known PvE target. But I guess you could say there is risk in that. Difference of opinion rather than facts I suppose

However, rather than layer additional weirdness on top of the corp awoxing weirdness in adding special rules to deal with just those cases, I believe the simplest fix is to remove the weirdness of corp members being able to shoot each other and instead treat them the same as any two other capsulers for concord.

If you want to do corp war games, you can do it easily Red vs Blue style, have a war game corp and a war dec.
If you want to gank your corp mate, trick him into a duel, into going suspect, or trick your corp leader into making a war game corp then abuse the war game corp.

It doesn't stop ganking your corp mates in bling mission boats, it just means you have to be a bit smarter about it, and it removes an inconsistency from the rules that a lot of people may not even know exists, rather than trying to solve it by adding even more special cases.

I wouldn't say "remove exploration sites", they are worthless anyway and they are good for people to practice on. And I'm not real big on taking content away.

Now, some mission rewards need toned down, and God knows Incursions need reworked as well.

But, to me, the risk/reward are both skewed, and moving it back in both ways a little bit is a better alternative to chopping a lot off of one of them.

So I'd argue that we need to disincentivize dec dodging(have killrights generated if you leave a corp during the actual war period, not the cooldown), increase CONCORD response times by 25%, remove facpo for anybody not in FW, and then tone down some income sources a bit.