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Mittani: Greifers drive away new players

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2014-07-12 16:55:04 UTC
The NPE drives away WoW carebear types, and has worked just fine in steadily increasing subs for CCP as long as nullsec had variety and action. Now that subs are dropping like crazy from nullsec stagnation, lets ask the Blue Donut Master himself how to fix the game. Roll

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Snagletooth Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2014-07-12 16:56:45 UTC
Read the article and saw nothing about griefers, just Goons telling CCP "we're running out of fresh meat, please fix!"

Grrr Goons
Hell Freeze
Monti Industries
#43 - 2014-07-12 16:57:19 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
the npe is crap though, thats what we are discussing
Very well put.

It is crap. Does CCP want to or see the need to fix it?
Dave stark
#44 - 2014-07-12 17:01:01 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
The NPE drives away WoW carebear types, and has worked just fine in steadily increasing subs for CCP as long as nullsec had variety and action. Now that subs are dropping like crazy from nullsec stagnation, lets ask the Blue Donut Master himself how to fix the game. Roll


the NPE drives many people away, not just the wow carebears.

i doubt i'm the only one that made an account years ago and went "**** this ****" then came back some time later and gave it a second chance and just decided to trudge through the NPE like the **** filled bog that it is to see if there was anything on the other side.
Lady Areola Fappington
#45 - 2014-07-12 17:08:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Areola Fappington
One thing the CURRENT NPE could do better at, is understanding ship loss.

At random, with no warning, one of the career agent missions should result in a massive gatecamp gank. 100% you failed the mission standings ding and all. An actual honest to goodness failure, not the silly "OK you go out there this mission is your ship automatically blowing up".

After it happens, send the newbie an EVEmail (or tutorial window whatevs), detailing what just happened, and how in the future, it won't be NPCs doing that, it'll be other players. The evemail should also state, in no uncertain way, that it's allowed, permitted behaviour, you consent to PVP when you log in, etc etc etc.



And as a random idea, there's no need to totally do away with AWOXing. It's actually a useful tool for content generation, done right. My idea there is, tie "shoot corpmates without Concord response" to a high level corp status, like CEO/Director. Leave the chance for AWOXing in place, just make it something the infiltrator either has to work for, or take advantage of re:lax security.

Now, I know the glaring hole in that is "reverse awoxing", and the only fix I can think of is something like a weeks worth of immunity from all corpmates, for new entrants. That's kludgy though, I'm sure the EVE community has a better idea.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide

Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
#46 - 2014-07-12 17:10:46 UTC
Well, well.

Back when I started Eve, I got an invite into a freshly started corp within an hour of creating this toon at most.

Granted, the CEO was just trying to start their own corp and probably didn't realize the potential danger I would've been had I had malevolent intentions.

Overall, I find myself in agreement with this article.
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#47 - 2014-07-12 17:15:49 UTC
Someone should stop those evil Greifers.

Too bad this new coalition is driving new players away.. Maybe Mittani's griefers could take care of this problem?
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2014-07-12 17:16:01 UTC
This was my favorite quote from the article:

Quote:
(That 10% figure is comically overgenerous to the precious Eve Lore. Seriously, how do you make a fictional clash of space-empires such a snoozefest? Topic for another Traffic Control.)


I'm hoping we can get a response from George Lucas.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#49 - 2014-07-12 17:37:28 UTC
Dally Lama wrote:
Funny how many of you regulars on here have always called other posters risk-averse poons when they mention how AWOXing is absurd and dumb. I've seen how many threads on it where all the usual forum bros come in with their sly comments and tear the OP apart for thinkink AWOXing in high-sec is legal CONCORD evasion. Mittens mentions it and now watch as you sheep start actually considering the logic. Cool


Most of his post has absolutely nothing to do with "greifers", unlike the OP's thread title.

And, besides that, I 100% disagree with him. "helping new players" will never really be a thing if you take away the best real method to destroy bad corporations. Because awoxing is pretty much one of the last ways that you can actually get at people in highsec thanks to so many safety buffs.

His idea would need to coincide with an enormous nerf to both highsec safety and highsec income. (of course, both of those things need to happen anyway, so people have an incentive for lateral movement in the game's security areas)

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#50 - 2014-07-12 17:38:49 UTC
Quick question;

As none of us are in charge, and none of us are NPs

Why is our input on NPE relevant?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#51 - 2014-07-12 17:41:27 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Quick question;

As none of us are in charge, and none of us are NPs

Why is our input on NPE relevant?


Very few people's is relevant. Most of us can only offer what we ourselves would have enjoyed more of in the NPE when we first started.

Myself? I would have liked to skip it.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#52 - 2014-07-12 17:43:30 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Quick question;

As none of us are in charge, and none of us are NPs

Why is our input on NPE relevant?


Very few people's is relevant. Most of us can only offer what we ourselves would have enjoyed more of in the NPE when we first started.

Myself? I would have liked to skip it.


Oh ok

Well I enjoyed it, for what its worth

Of course, I only gave it serious attention many years ago, when it was more difficult

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Hell Freeze
Monti Industries
#53 - 2014-07-12 17:47:30 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Of course, I only gave it serious attention many years ago, when it was more difficult
Like when you had to create a SS 15k past a gate so you could warp to zero?
Dave stark
#54 - 2014-07-12 17:48:27 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Quick question;

As none of us are in charge, and none of us are NPs

Why is our input on NPE relevant?


because to be an old player, you had to have been a new player. which means you had to have been pushed through the grinder of the NPE, and if you didn't say "**** this ****" and hit uninstall... you know exactly how horrible it is and why you never want to endure it again.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2014-07-12 17:49:26 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Quick question;
As none of us are in charge, and none of us are NPs

Why is our input on NPE relevant?


It's not, CCP gets ample feedback from real new players to work with.

It's worth poinintg out that, if the Goon-Lord and his merry band of Yes-Men really cared about new players and their experience, they could use their trillions in ISK assests to improve the new player experience themselves ... you know, like the real Goons of old used too, not work on Titan #300 and fine tune their content crushing BOTLORD agreements.

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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#56 - 2014-07-12 17:50:43 UTC
Pandora's box.

The Tears Must Flow

Jegrey Dozer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2014-07-12 17:52:41 UTC
Just make the new player experience more interactive and with more audio.

Reading Aura's 82 thousand little informational boxes in the bottom right corner is boring as hell.

The game is interesting and the tutorial isn't off track. It teaches the necessities. The only problem is that it is based off of reading. And all "hur dur" jokes aside, not a lot of people playing a game want to read. You open up the game to people who learn better visually and by lecture.
Dave stark
#58 - 2014-07-12 17:54:24 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Quick question;
As none of us are in charge, and none of us are NPs

Why is our input on NPE relevant?


It's not, CCP gets ample feedback from real new players to work with.

It's worth poinintg out that, if the Goon-Lord and his merry band of Yes-Men really cared about new players and their experience, they could use their trillions in ISK assests to improve the new player experience themselves ... you know, like the real Goons of old used too, not work on Titan #300 and fine tune their content crushing BOTLORD agreements.


you mean like showering new players with isk, and free tackle ships and double srp and... yeah they already do.
Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2014-07-12 17:55:49 UTC
So now that the game has pretty much run out of actual noobs, they're considering to improve the NPE? Roll

What will be next? They will improve PvE once the average mission runner would rather tear off his eyes than rescue the damsel for the thousandth time? Lol

Q: Should we be worried? A: Nope. (...) Worry a lot if Fozzie, Masterplan, Rise, Veritas, Bettik, Ytterbium, Scarpia, Arrow, or even Greyscale leaves. Worry a little if Punkturis, karkur, SoniClover, Affinity, Goliath, or Xhagen leaves.

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#60 - 2014-07-12 17:56:07 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Quick question;
As none of us are in charge, and none of us are NPs

Why is our input on NPE relevant?


It's not, CCP gets ample feedback from real new players to work with.

It's worth poinintg out that, if the Goon-Lord and his merry band of Yes-Men really cared about new players and their experience, they could use their trillions in ISK assests to improve the new player experience themselves ... you know, like the real Goons of old used too, not work on Titan #300 and fine tune their content crushing BOTLORD agreements.


Im not sure the population of their alliance could only be veterans.

Unless you have some info you want to share?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann