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Shaklu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-07-11 17:12:07 UTC
Howdy all,

I have been in WH's before in a corp, but am flying solo atm and haven't been in WH's in a whiiile.

I can fly a tengu or a legion, but to start I was planning on using something cheap (also can't afford to lose a T3 atm) and the plan was to use a Prophecy, as it's basically my favorite BC. I can pop a few guns on it if I want, but I could also just use the drones and have the lows as my tank, leaving mids and highs for utility, like probe launcher, salvager, analyzers, etc. I've been researching for the last couple days and I hear "Drake ftw!" being tossed around, but I would love to hear thoughts on the Prophecy. I can basically fly every ship from T2 cruisers down, and was also considering a Sacrilege, as I hear they are sexy and T2 HAM's are one of my few T2 weapons.

My general plan is to fly around in my cov-ops probe ship and just explore for a while, but wondering what I can expect to see as far as cash potential for each class of WH, and thoughts on ship types and such.

I do have an alt, mostly indy-based, but he can cloak a bit and salvage or watch a WH.. wondering if I should pop more guns on and use the alt for salvage, or just salvage while I go? The alt can also use most haulers or T2 haulers, and while I wouldn't be putting up a POS any time soon, any tips or hints you could give for either a nomadic style or a permanent move-in would be super.

There is also some terminology that I am totally confused about. Like K162's and other random phrases and numbers I heard thrown around a lot whilst researching WHs. Also where exactly to start? should I just start scanning from Jita? Or wander around 0.5 systems, or even low-sec to find a good starting area?

Basically my goals are thus:
1. Gain experience and learn about WH space in general
2. Get better at being aware of my surroundings and develop mad scan skillz
3. Figure out ship types, what works and what doesn't?
4. Should I just join a corp for a while until I have a better idea of life in WH space? (if so, which one?)
5. How to use an alt for either scouting or PI/POS purposes
6. After realizing that I am really terrible at #2, being ever more vigilant/paranoid

Mind you, i do know some of this stuff, as I have been in WH's before, but it's been over a year, and I know a ton has changed since then.. I guess any super major changes that you could think of that might be relevant would be helpful, as well. Just imagine I haven't been inside a WH since 2012 or so.

Mostly tho, the reason I am thinking about WH space is because I am just plain terrible at making the ISK in EVE, so I figured that if I can train myself to be WH savvy, then it could be a good income source and loads of fun.

Any help would be great!

Thx,
Shak
Freddie Merrcury
Fukushima Daiichi Electric Power Co.
#2 - 2014-07-11 17:55:37 UTC
First off, Prophecy is terrible for solo. You "can" fly pretty much anything you want, but you try a drake/tengu and you will see why people don't use other ships. They just work without any hassle.
The best habit in all of wormhole space is to learn to hit dscan every 15 seconds if you aren't in a pos shield
K162's are the ass-end of a hole every non k162 hole connects to a k162 on the other side
having one alt that can at the very minimum scan in a T1 frigate is highly recommended, unless you want to join the ranks of the poeple here who come asking for people to find them an entrance
Joining a corp is always a better idea because sitting alone in a wormhole is awfully boring, I would know.

I been kicked out of better homes than this.
Shaklu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-07-11 19:12:26 UTC
Freddie Merrcury wrote:
try a drake/tengu and you will see why people don't use other ships.


Ok, well I don't have T2 heavy missiles yet, just HAMs, so would a Harbinger be a decent sub for the drake as I have T2 medium lasers? I know it would need an active tank.. or would meta 4 launchers and faction heavy missiles be enough for C1+2 I am likely to attempt? I didn't really want to try the tengu due to the fact that i am almost broke, so I am trying to follow the cardinal rule of EVE.
Robert Morningstar
Morningstar Excavations LTD
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#4 - 2014-07-11 19:35:34 UTC
If you can fly any t2 cruiser that indicated you have cruiser 5 and are at most 16 days from using a t3 cruiser will. it you want to use lasers go Legion.
Shaklu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-07-11 19:59:32 UTC
Robert Morningstar wrote:
If you can fly any t2 cruiser that indicated you have cruiser 5 and are at most 16 days from using a t3 cruiser will. it you want to use lasers go Legion.


I can fly both legion and tengu, but I don't want to start off with it, as I am almost broke. Not even sure if I could afford to buy one at all, let alone lose one. That's why I was looking into other ships.
Madam Lash
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2014-07-12 00:57:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Madam Lash
If ISK is a problem maybe look at the standard 2-2-2 Drake fits. They're reasonably cheap to fit and fly and if you have T2 HAMS which I sort of gathered from your posts then you should be fine - remembering that you will need to warp out on occasion to regen shields. I've used the Drake up to and including C3s but always in a small group of 2 or 3 other pilots in a C3 and we've managed fairly well with that. C1 and C2 shouldn't be a problem at all if you fly it smart.

I'd suggest having at least a scout to clean up your salvage for you sitting on your exit in a cloaked Noctis or whatever it is that you want to salvage with - sure they can't warp while cloaked but they can orbit your exit back to K-Space and let you know that you suddenly aren't alone any more.

Only other tip I can offer is make sure you know where POS are located and you set up some safe spots before you start running a site. If you're using a covert ops ship to scan things out then make your safes in that and if you get jumped at any stage bounce between your safes before running back out to K-Space.

[Drake, 2-2-2 Drake]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Shield Recharger II
Shield Recharger II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

Hobgoblin II x5
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-07-12 05:01:19 UTC
Madam Lash wrote:
If ISK is a problem maybe look at the standard 2-2-2 Drake fits. They're reasonably cheap to fit and fly and if you have T2 HAMS which I sort of gathered from your posts then you should be fine - remembering that you will need to warp out on occasion to regen shields. I've used the Drake up to and including C3s but always in a small group of 2 or 3 other pilots in a C3 and we've managed fairly well with that. C1 and C2 shouldn't be a problem at all if you fly it smart.

I'd suggest having at least a scout to clean up your salvage for you sitting on your exit in a cloaked Noctis or whatever it is that you want to salvage with - sure they can't warp while cloaked but they can orbit your exit back to K-Space and let you know that you suddenly aren't alone any more.

Only other tip I can offer is make sure you know where POS are located and you set up some safe spots before you start running a site. If you're using a covert ops ship to scan things out then make your safes in that and if you get jumped at any stage bounce between your safes before running back out to K-Space.

[Drake, 2-2-2 Drake]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Shield Recharger II
Shield Recharger II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

Hobgoblin II x5


Ugh, I can't think of any WH site I'd want to take that drake to.
Madam Lash
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-07-12 06:04:57 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:


Ugh, I can't think of any WH site I'd want to take that drake to.


And yet you make no alternative suggestion.

It works and its cheap. it isn't quick in terms of ISK/Hour but for cheap and dirty it does the job.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-07-12 13:09:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Derath Ellecon
Madam Lash wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:


Ugh, I can't think of any WH site I'd want to take that drake to.


And yet you make no alternative suggestion.

It works and its cheap. it isn't quick in terms of ISK/Hour but for cheap and dirty it does the job.



Well basically just the highs (which I will admit you may have put in due to the OP's mention of ham skills only) but the range of hams coupled with no prop mod and the general long range of sleepers even as far down as C2 sites= gouge my eyes out personally.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#10 - 2014-07-12 13:51:01 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Madam Lash wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:


Ugh, I can't think of any WH site I'd want to take that drake to.


And yet you make no alternative suggestion.

It works and its cheap. it isn't quick in terms of ISK/Hour but for cheap and dirty it does the job.



Well basically just the highs (which I will admit you may have put in due to the OP's mention of ham skills only) but the range of hams coupled with no prop mod and the general long range of sleepers even as far down as C2 sites= gouge my eyes out personally.


If you want something cheaper than a Tengu, but equally suited for c3s, give some though to a raven (though the cost savings are marginal). You'll get suicidal urges when orbited by 4 frigs, but on the upside it's pretty quick on the rest of the rats.
Zealot/Legion used to be my go-to vessel for clearing c1/c2 sites, since 550+ scorch dps at 50km make for amazingly quick clears. Neither of the two is suited for c3s though.
Madam Lash
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2014-07-13 02:09:42 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Madam Lash wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:


Ugh, I can't think of any WH site I'd want to take that drake to.


And yet you make no alternative suggestion.

It works and its cheap. it isn't quick in terms of ISK/Hour but for cheap and dirty it does the job.



Well basically just the highs (which I will admit you may have put in due to the OP's mention of ham skills only) but the range of hams coupled with no prop mod and the general long range of sleepers even as far down as C2 sites= gouge my eyes out personally.



Yeah fair enough too, not a fan of having no prop mod myself on anything but that's probably because at one point in life I had a minmater main - still trying to get over the 'I want to go fast' attitude ;)
Shaklu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-07-13 02:30:05 UTC
Madam Lash wrote:

Yeah fair enough too, not a fan of having no prop mod myself on anything but that's probably because at one point in life I had a minmater main - still trying to get over the 'I want to go fast' attitude ;)


If you aint first - you're last.
Freddie Merrcury
Fukushima Daiichi Electric Power Co.
#13 - 2014-07-13 03:21:41 UTC
Shaklu wrote:
Madam Lash wrote:

Yeah fair enough too, not a fan of having no prop mod myself on anything but that's probably because at one point in life I had a minmater main - still trying to get over the 'I want to go fast' attitude ;)


If you aint first - you're last.

I was high when i said that

I been kicked out of better homes than this.
Shaklu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-07-13 04:33:39 UTC
Freddie Merrcury wrote:
Shaklu wrote:
Madam Lash wrote:

Yeah fair enough too, not a fan of having no prop mod myself on anything but that's probably because at one point in life I had a minmater main - still trying to get over the 'I want to go fast' attitude ;)


If you aint first - you're last.

I was high when i said that


But I've based my entire life on it!!
Keith Planck
Hi-Sec Huggers
#15 - 2014-07-13 05:00:36 UTC
take a stratios into C5 space and ninja relics and data sites
it's the best money you can get for adventuring :D

♞
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-07-13 16:00:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Praxis Ginimic
You can now fit a medium mjd on a drake, or a proph...give it a shot

Something like this should be able to handle C1&C2 sites... good skills and an AF can handle C1 sites. Just play around in eft and use that fancy new mod.

[Prophecy, C1 C2 SOLO]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Medium Micro Jump Drive
Large Peroxide Capacitor Power Cell
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-07-13 16:19:30 UTC
Shaklu wrote:
There is also some terminology that I am totally confused about. Like K162's and other random phrases and numbers I heard thrown around a lot whilst researching WHs. Also where exactly to start? should I just start scanning from Jita? Or wander around 0.5 systems, or even low-sec to find a good starting area?

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Blobskillz McBlub
Drone Riders
#18 - 2014-07-13 18:49:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Blobskillz McBlub
hey guys, I am currently sitting in a C3 with my alt and after some trial and error I ended up with this tengu fit to run sites solo.

[Tengu, New Setup 3]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II

Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier I
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers


so far it went ok, but I am wondering if there are some things that I could improve that I dont see as a WH scrub.
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-07-16 17:44:58 UTC
: shaklu
It really depends on which class of WH you are intrested in trying to "Solo". C1 and 2 can be done solo but the fits are a little tight for one ship to handle everything (combat, scanning, hacking, and salvaging) Using an alt to do the latter three is generally advisable with the combat ship focused purely on combat and not worrying about the other items, in every class of wh. With the use of mobile depots you can accomplish everything with one ship but its a bit of a pain, using a second character on the same account can work if you dont want to use a second account. (Corp bookmarks are the way to do everything, just make a good sorting and naming system)
Since you mentioned an alt already, Use it as a scanner and salvager, use of Mobile tractor units (MTU) means that you dont have to fit tractor beams. All sleeper loot is .01 m/3 so cargo space is generally not an issue. Relic and data site loot in c3 are the biggest cargo needs. Data sites can get to 250 m/3 while the rare talocan spawns can boost a relic to 400m/3 (average is ~140 m/3).
Since you havent mentioned a class of wh, I would guess that you are really looking for a C1 to practice in, C2 are highly traveled by everyone and are the smallest hole that can fit orcas.

I dislike missile ships in general and in wh drones are still better then other weapons systems. The proph fit up there is dependant on drones as the main damage and not as strong as the myrm in the same role. I would not take it (the prophecy) into a c2 site
[Myrmidon, C1&C2 Solo]
Damage Control II
Energized Explosive Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Capacitor Battery II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Stasis Webifier II

Core Probe Launcher II, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hammerhead II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Berserker II x2
Hammerhead II x3


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: Blobskillz McBlub
HM (501@70.8)vs HAMs(696@25.3) is a 200 dps loss for 45km of range. in c3 that range, i think is more important.
Since you dont have a prop mod how do you complete the sites with bs that orbit at 54 km?
also you have room for a t2 boost amp,

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.