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Hi Sec Exploration All in One
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Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-07-12 01:58:47 UTC
Speaking as the guy in those low sec systems that is hunting for you, I can assure you that your combat probes only scared off competition. When I am hunting and see combats on scan I assume 1 of 2 things, either my prey is trying to scare off competition or there is another hunter in system and I need to be faster.

My point still stands however. You can greatly improve your fit, limiting the amount of time that you spend exposed to danger and at the same time increasing the amount of isk you make over time or you can gimp your fit...

The point about this being a high sec fit is also important here. There is no need to spend that sort of isk on a pirate ship when a t1 cruiser will do the job just as well. If you really feel that a greater investment will help you then go for a navy ship. You can get just as much output for a fraction of the cost.

With all that said... I will not denie the utter coolness of the SOE ships. It may be worth it just to improve your viewing experience
Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#22 - 2014-07-12 13:57:28 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
Speaking as the guy in those low sec systems that is hunting for you, I can assure you that your combat probes only scared off competition. When I am hunting and see combats on scan I assume 1 of 2 things, either my prey is trying to scare off competition or there is another hunter in system and I need to be faster.

My point still stands however. You can greatly improve your fit, limiting the amount of time that you spend exposed to danger and at the same time increasing the amount of isk you make over time or you can gimp your fit...

The point about this being a high sec fit is also important here. There is no need to spend that sort of isk on a pirate ship when a t1 cruiser will do the job just as well. If you really feel that a greater investment will help you then go for a navy ship. You can get just as much output for a fraction of the cost.

With all that said... I will not denie the utter coolness of the SOE ships. It may be worth it just to improve your viewing experience



It's not just about the coolness. The Stratios is just straight up OP and you can get away with having bad core skills for a very long time piloting it. The huge drone bay and cargo bay mean that you can carry all of your tools with you and you don't have to spend time hunting resources because you moved from Serpentis to Sansha territory for example. Being able to fit both guns and sentries means that you can kite tank (which is incredibly effective in DED sites) the 30+ targets on grid without accidentally flying into the middle of one group or another trying to stay close to your sentries, and that you can use your sentries to remove stuff that slips under your tracking. Etc and so on.... It's just a really forgiving ship and it doesn't take much to keep it alive, but most importantly it saves you a huge amount of downtime so that you can scan down as many sites as possible in as many systems as possible.

Oh, and if someone is doing exploration sites in lowsec system where there is already more than 1 hunter, they didn't want to keep their ship. Now assume that you are the lone hunter in a system deep in low, and a cloaky drone ship pops combat probes on you...

How long are you going to sit around guessing how many of his friends are next door, waiting for him to get on grid with you?

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Aine Morchet
Beautiful Space
#23 - 2014-07-14 01:21:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Aine Morchet
Paserak Virtus wrote:
Talia Valta wrote:
Vexor is a good place to start but.... it doesn't have any bonuses to scanning/hacking.

It all depends on what your looking for?

Are you looking for the Combat sites, or are you looking for Relic and data sites?


While i enjoy the relic and data sites, it hasn't seemed incredibly profitable so far. Hi sec i prolly average 10-20m isk an hour. I got ballsy and threw a cloaking device on a Magnate and did about a dozen Low sec sites. Maybe it was just bad luck, but it wasn't any more profitable than the hi sec sites. Maybe null is where its at.

Combat anoms and plexes have been great for me so far. Already found several type A modules that are decent isk for a newer player. That's kinda why im looking for a good all in one. I'd like to focus primarily on anoms and combat sites, but dont want to pass up relic and data sites that I scan down in a system.


I currently make most of my money doing hisec combats and datas, (mediocre income at 40-50m isk/hr, but it is relaxing, safe, and doesn't glue you to your computer like a group activity).

IMO yeah relic sites in hisec are not worth doing. Ignoring them will save you unprofitable running time and refitting time. Data sites however are consistently ok enough that I still do them. I have 2 fits I swap between: an MWD/data analyzer fit that does Datas and the easy combat sites (ex. 3/10s), and an AB fit with a tank mod instead of the Analyzer for the harder sites (4/10s, Vigils and such).

Vexor is a good choice and the Ishtar is excessively good atm so training towards that is a big bonus (unless CCP nerfs it somehow). There is one hisec data sig you will not be able to scan down with an unbonused ship, but its not important. The Stratios is definitely going to be the best if you can afford one, and you aren't likely to lose it in hisec.

Good luck out there! And learn to blitz the combat sites, with low skills it might not be possible but you'll ideally want fits that can tank enough to just hit the triggers, kill the boss with the loot, and leave.

Last thing, on your question of non-tengu T3s, only the Loki truly sucks at PvE, the Legion and Proteus are ok.
Paserak Virtus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2014-07-15 07:12:52 UTC
Shitavius wrote:
Short term: anything with drones and a probe launcher
Long term: Ishtar, Stratios, or T3

As mentioned, learn the mobile depot, love the mobile depot. It is CCP's greatest gift to us in ages.

To answer your second questions: Do not bother with the curse or sac for exploration unless it's for sheer rp novelty. Anyone who talked those ships up to you is an idiot.


I certainly don't have any experience with t2 amarr cruisers but I'll ask the question.

Why wouldn't a Sacrilege do well for hi sec exploration? Seems, based on tank and missiles, it would do well in combat sites.

And the curse and pilgrim seem like they could do well for low/null sec exploration, with the ability to fit a cloak, being a drone boat, and with the bonus to nuet it seems like a boat you'd think twice about ganking.

Maybe I'm reading outdated information, and missing something that only experience can teach you. Just curious what the issues with those boats would be.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2014-07-15 07:35:57 UTC
Paserak Virtus wrote:
Shitavius wrote:
Short term: anything with drones and a probe launcher
Long term: Ishtar, Stratios, or T3

As mentioned, learn the mobile depot, love the mobile depot. It is CCP's greatest gift to us in ages.

To answer your second questions: Do not bother with the curse or sac for exploration unless it's for sheer rp novelty. Anyone who talked those ships up to you is an idiot.


I certainly don't have any experience with t2 amarr cruisers but I'll ask the question.

Why wouldn't a Sacrilege do well for hi sec exploration? Seems, based on tank and missiles, it would do well in combat sites.

And the curse and pilgrim seem like they could do well for low/null sec exploration, with the ability to fit a cloak, being a drone boat, and with the bonus to nuet it seems like a boat you'd think twice about ganking.

Maybe I'm reading outdated information, and missing something that only experience can teach you. Just curious what the issues with those boats would be.


Theres nothing "wrong" with any of them, there are just better ships for the job. They all have either comparativly low dps or tank, or start losing utility.
For highsec nearly any combat cruiser can run combat sites (tho to different degrees) but you start sacrifising that combat ability if you start adding probes, scanners etc.

In null without a T3 you wont be able to handle combat sites AND be able to get through inevitale gangs/camps. For exploration a T2 scanning frig will be safer than a recon, quicker (speed and at sites), and cheeper.

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Paserak Virtus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2014-07-15 07:52:13 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
Paserak Virtus wrote:
Shitavius wrote:
Short term: anything with drones and a probe launcher
Long term: Ishtar, Stratios, or T3

As mentioned, learn the mobile depot, love the mobile depot. It is CCP's greatest gift to us in ages.

To answer your second questions: Do not bother with the curse or sac for exploration unless it's for sheer rp novelty. Anyone who talked those ships up to you is an idiot.


I certainly don't have any experience with t2 amarr cruisers but I'll ask the question.

Why wouldn't a Sacrilege do well for hi sec exploration? Seems, based on tank and missiles, it would do well in combat sites.

And the curse and pilgrim seem like they could do well for low/null sec exploration, with the ability to fit a cloak, being a drone boat, and with the bonus to nuet it seems like a boat you'd think twice about ganking.

Maybe I'm reading outdated information, and missing something that only experience can teach you. Just curious what the issues with those boats would be.


Theres nothing "wrong" with any of them, there are just better ships for the job. They all have either comparativly low dps or tank, or start losing utility.
For highsec nearly any combat cruiser can run combat sites (tho to different degrees) but you start sacrifising that combat ability if you start adding probes, scanners etc.

In null without a T3 you wont be able to handle combat sites AND be able to get through inevitale gangs/camps. For exploration a T2 scanning frig will be safer than a recon, quicker (speed and at sites), and cheeper.


I assumed it was something along these lines, just wanted some clarification. I really like amarr ships and am looking for an excuse to use them for what I'm trying to do. Oh we'll there's always pvp and missions. :)

So it seems the general consensus for hi sec is vexor to Ishtar , and then a stratios once I can fit it really well.

Once I delve into low/null with all in one fits still be viable, or will a scan bonused ship be necessary to scan down sites?
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