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Fix the drone Damage multipliers!!!
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#121 - 2011-12-02 01:10:31 UTC
Verity Sovereign wrote:

But it doesn't really apply because we have an Exp drone that is simply better than the EM drone - while I think the Kin and The drones are basically close enough*, you seem to argue otherwise, which only supports the argument that the drones need to be changed.
I would have liked to have seen a change to drone stats as part of the Gallente Buff.


Lets be clear here - I haven't been arguing that the status quo is fine. Let's cover the arguments again:
- The status quo isn't really fine.
- The suggestion in the OP would make things worse and is a nerf to drones as a whole.
- The core problem being addressed shouldn't be making the numbers line up on a spreadsheet, but in making all the drones useful in a common situation. If you finish balancing and we still have a pair of useful drones and a pair of useless drones then YOU HAVE FAILED.

To that end, I suggested not a sliding scale along the DPS/Speed curve but polarizing the drones to the end of the curve. I am ok with increasing drone damage as a whole but I bet that would introduce more problems than it solves.

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On the other thread, not once did I suggest nerfing the Minmatar, I was complaining that they were getting yet another Buff, at a time when it was widely considered they were already OP'd, and that Gallente + some Caldari ships needed a buff.


I've had some time to play with the Hybrid boost now, and I'm beginning to come to the conclusion its somewhere between just about right and overdone. I think if we leave things at the status quo we'll see cries that Minmatar are underpowered by this time next year.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Lili Lu
#122 - 2011-12-02 04:39:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Lili Lu
Liang Nuren wrote:
Verity Sovereign wrote:

(Still viewing drones as racial creatures.)


Lets be clear here - I haven't been arguing that the status quo is fine. Let's cover the arguments again:
- The status quo isn't really fine.
- The suggestion in the OP would make things worse and is a nerf to drones as a whole.
- The core problem being addressed shouldn't be making the numbers line up on a spreadsheet, but in making all the drones useful in a common situation. If you finish balancing and we still have a pair of useful drones and a pair of useless drones then YOU HAVE FAILED.

To that end, I suggested not a sliding scale along the DPS/Speed curve but polarizing the drones to the end of the curve. I am ok with increasing drone damage as a whole but I bet that would introduce more problems than it solves.

That seems to be the consensus that is emerging. Bifurcating the drone damage types into two sets of 2, based on speed v damage. However, the grouping should remain the same. EM and Explo for speed, Therm and Kinetic for damage. Sentries could remain as they are, they are all presently useful with their current stats.

Liang Nuren wrote:
Verity Sovereign wrote:
On the other thread, not once did I suggest nerfing the Minmatar, I was complaining that they were getting yet another Buff, at a time when it was widely considered they were already OP'd, and that Gallente + some Caldari ships needed a buff.


I've had some time to play with the Hybrid boost now, and I'm beginning to come to the conclusion its somewhere between just about right and overdone. I think if we leave things at the status quo we'll see cries that Minmatar are underpowered by this time next year. -Liang


More stuff Verity viewing the drones as racial. Let go of your inferiority complex on Minmatar. They are not Minmatar drones, they are explosive drones. Minmatar ships get no bonuses for using explo drones. Every ship can use every drone without a bonus and it makes no difference (except for few Gallente ships that get a bonus to thermal drones).

As to the hybrid buff that is for another thread.

Long and short of this issue is if the drones were grouped em and explo, therm and kinetic, and each pair given either the same stats or very closely the same with minor differences then we would be using em drones and (even though I already use them) kinetic drones as well.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#123 - 2011-12-02 05:33:11 UTC
How can you possibly say I'm viewing drones as racial in anything other than appearance?

I refer to them by damage type....