Ships & Modules

Right because the Arbitrator, Pilgrim, and Curse are terrible drones ships.

And the Armageddon has a smaller drone bay than the Gallente Hyperion.

The way I see it, the Amarr have "their" strategy of "Slow, armored laser platform"

But yet, they also produce specialized craft to compete in other races strengths:

Executioner = faster than the Gallente Atron (when both mount MWDs), making it the 2nd fastest T1 non faction frigate.
(Similar for interceptor)
(I wish they had something that competed with Mini for speed, but the Minni are so much faster than the other 3, its a little bit excessive IMO. The speed difference between Amarr/Gallente/Caldari is nothing compared to the Minni. Minni are always the fastest, someship classes have the gallente as 2nd fastest, others have the Amarr as 2nd fastest)

Arbitrator: Pretty much as good as the Vexor as a drone boat (less bandwidth, more capacity)

Missile boats? go with the Khanid ships, or for T1 you have the inquisitor.

Anyway.... my point is the amarr don't such with drones. If anything, the Caldari do.

Frigates and destroyers- all 0 m3 except the gallente

Caldari T1 cruiser drone capacities:
0 -Blackbird
10 -Caracal
15 -Moa
20 -Osprey

Amarr:
0 -Maller
5 -Augoror
15 - Omen
150 -Arbitrator

Amarr Win (I might be tempted to say they beat Minimatar in drones in this ship class too, due to the arbitrator)

Minni Crusiers:
5, 5, 30, 40


Caldari T1 BCs:
25 x2

Amarr BCs
25 - Proph
50 - Harb

Amarr win

BS's
Caldari:
50 (Rokh)
75,75

Amarr:
75, 75
125 -Armageddon

Amarr win
(Its even worse when we throw in the navy ships)

If any drone should suck, it should be the Caldari drone.
After all, according to the backstory, effective combat drones weren't developed until after the Gallente-Caldari split, and Caldari were weak in the drone area, which the Gallente exploited.

From the description of the Arbitrator:
"The Arbitrator is unusual for Amarr ships in that it's primarily a drone carrier."

And in case you weren't aware, the other two ships you listed are t2 versions of said arbitrator.




Well, given the whining about how bad blasters and rails are, it would certainly seem that way, especially after reading:

From the description of the federation navy:
"It still relies on its drone armada to defeat opponents, but ship wise the Federal Navy is lacking. "

Oh and nice one calling me stupid. Right up there with the best debaters. Then again it your command of the eve lore might be more convincing if you could spell the names of the 4 major factions.


Like I said before, damage, tracking, and move to target speed (MWD speed) are entirely unrelated, and being upset over them not would seem to imply a disorder of some kind.

However, tracking speed and orbit speed are very much related as Fronk has pointed out here:

Considering that the overwhelming trend on frigate tanking is a MSE fitted by way of a MAPC, I fail to see how this would be a negative thing for game balance. The issue you're describing sounds like a solution, not a problem.

Do you think that MAPC MSE Frigates are overpowered?

-Liang

I'd say the biggest reason I like to run a MSE on a frigate is because it gives you good buffer and recharge simultaneously. In a lot of ways, a MSE is almost equivalent to a SAR+Plate... making EM drones more powerful really isn't going to address this.

Besides, if this is your goal you have to consider that the change wouldn't be limited to small drones - but also large drones. I guess that means that you'd very marginally nerfing shield frigs while shifting the balance even more towards armor battleships from shield battleships.

-Liang

Ogres are great for EFT, but Zerkers are probably the best heavy drone.

-Liang

No heavy drone has trouble tracking battleships. Its entirely a function of getting them to the target and the propensity for battleships to be armor tanked.

-Liang

Ed: FWIW, you can't even argue that Zerkers are better at engaging smaller ships than Ogres. Both of them have utterly ridiculous tracking compared to guns, and really the fact that they both tend to lag behind means they both consistently get "up the tailpipe" shots at smaller ships. This is why frigs will occasionally just get instapopped by heavies.

Most Shield Battleships close the EM Hole with a Rig anyway. Usually your better off hitting Thermal.

If they do switch the Dmg Modifiers Minmatar Drones will still have the best Tracking and Speed.

Right -- because putting the weaker Amarrian drones on their rigged EM-resist is going to work better than putting the much stronger Gallente drones on their thermal.

...?

Nope, because most battleships throw out Hammerheads which do thermal Dmg and a lot more of it then any other medium Drone will put out to what is currently there weakest resists. Dumping a slot that will hurt there Therm resist is absolutely out of the question. EM is already high enough that they are fine with just the rig.

Shield Battleships resists are covered enough that this would not hurt them in the least. Shield will still be fine if EM Drones do a smidge more Dmg, the walls are not going to come crashing down.

This made all the more apparent to the fact that no Armor Battleship can do what Shield Battleships can do.