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Burn Huola

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Pinky Feldman
Perkone
Caldari State
#881 - 2014-07-24 17:32:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinky Feldman
Brylan Grey wrote:

We brought it. And we won. Amarr FW leaders lost the war. Not through battle, but by uniting everyone against them.

Before this, Amarr FW could have offered me 100m isk and gotten my full loyalty, even no isk and a simple talk could have kept me neutral. After this, nothing under 5 trillion isk could be seriously considered.

Next time you invade a system, do your homework. Look who lives there and don't purposely offend everyone even remotely associated with the area.

Other than that, thanks for the KMs.


The reality is, this is a difficult discussion to have without coming across as "didn't want that system anyways" or "if we really wanted to take Huola, we would have". People complain about blue donuts and lack of fighting if you make the 'smart' play in regards to numerical advantage or criticize if you take the other route.

On our side, there's really no homework to be done in regards to invading FW systems. The key players knew exactly what they were doing and those involved were responsible for planning Dal and Arzad. I think that given the state of inactivity within the Minmatar militia a the time of the campaign we could have taken Huola if we had used similar tactics of constant pressure over several weeks without throwing off any major sirens or giving anyone a reason to come back, then dropping the hammer when Huola reached a certain threshold going into a weekend that we could drop the hammer without enough time for the Minmatar to organize help from other groups

As much as many of us would have liked to have seen Huola fall, I think the majority of us on ALL sides can agree that another Arzad. We wanted someone to fight and some of the AVNG guys wanted to go all in, FHP in particular, guns blazing, for one final campaign. Huola is simply smoldering right now, but for two weeks, I don't think anyone can deny that it burned. Most importantly, neither side suffered from the extreme burnout that they have in previous campaigns.

As far as the chestbeating and 'terrible' smack at the beginning of the campaign, both sides have been pretty bad historically. Let's be real. Though, depending on the side you're on you see it as simple smack talk all the way to immature vitriol or pathetic metagaming. DCM posts and other propaganda aren't so much as Minmatar demotivators, but tools to build internal hype within our own militia. At any rate, as someone who enjoyed lighthearted smacktalk when I used to play lots of sports and party games when I was in school I think that aspect shouldn't be taken too seriously. I used to take EVE too seriously, and while the Amarr benefitted greatly from that, I can only look at EVE now as a game. I think everyone should remember that.

I think in retrospect, we could have had better logistical organization prior to the campaign and better communication between the major parties involved. Logistics, even at a short notice has always been something we've excelled at, but for this campaign it fell short. We didn't really start getting fully mobilized until maybe half a week before it kicked off and had fweddit on mumble and everyone else on Amarr TS. Joint comms has always been a killer for us or any organization really, but we've found ways to work around it in the past. This time, however, we couldn't and paid the price for it.

That's really the only thing I have an issue with. It's easy to look back and second guess strategic decisions, but as far as the guns blazing "USA #1" approach that was intentional. Both sides had been suffering from a significant amount of inactivity and you have to get the hype train going hard enough if you want to give people a reason to come back to the game. In that aspect, i'm extremely happy with how things went and how big Huola became is something I would consider a big success. Call it a vain attempt at reliving the glory days around Inferno, Amarrian hubris, I don't really care. Both sides had incredible showings and seeing so many old faces made me smile.

To answer Loryanna's question, unless someone else takes up the mantle, Burn Huola is indeed over. Whether anyone believes me or not, ILAW and Fweddit are going to be looking to our next campaign. It was a ton of fun and I think only a handful of the bittervets here truly understand just how much there is to be appreciated regarding the low amounts of burn out from this campaign.

I want to end this post simply by echoing Loryanna's sentiments when I say that I hope everyone manages to catch a bit more rays this summer than we all have in the past.

EDIT: Props to the Minmatar for undocking and bringing it as well as the Gals and Neutrals who showed up too. I can't even count what 'failed' attempt at Huola this is anymore, but this was by far the grandest and it gave everyone a couple awesome weeks of nonstop activity. Giving your members things to do so they don't leave EVE or go to other groups is one of the most important aspects of success in EVE. As corps and alliances, all of us are coming out on top and I hope that the Minmatar are able to continually build on this momentum so we can get some more fights in the future.

I also want to give a final shoutout to FHP. As much as he was notorious for raging, he was a good dude who would always follow through with the things he said he would and has given more to the Amarr militia than many of us will ever realize. The same goes to the rest of AVNG.
Soren Tyrhanos
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
#882 - 2014-07-25 00:19:42 UTC
Besides all the smack talk on both sides which admittedly was a little bit of fun..... It certainly was a blast being able to be a part of such a massive attack. Coming into New Eden from Dust just doesn't remotely prepare you for how technical and draining it is to really fight a conflict in a game.

I certainly think Huola can fall.... just needs the slow knife....
Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
#883 - 2014-07-25 00:49:00 UTC
George Gouillot wrote:
Abannans Forum Alt wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Stalking Mantis wrote:
I wonder where XGal and company live these days. Maybe we should go flip their system. Something tells me the help they would get from the minnies would be half hearted at best.
We live in Fliet.


Confirming we live in Nisuwa



They live in Hallanen now. Come flip it!


Wait I thought we all lived in Rakapas?
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#884 - 2014-07-25 16:51:57 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
George Gouillot wrote:
Abannans Forum Alt wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Stalking Mantis wrote:
I wonder where XGal and company live these days. Maybe we should go flip their system. Something tells me the help they would get from the minnies would be half hearted at best.
We live in Fliet.


Confirming we live in Nisuwa



They live in Hallanen now. Come flip it!


Wait I thought we all lived in Rakapas?


Okkamon, actually.
Veskrashen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#885 - 2014-07-25 17:40:27 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
George Gouillot wrote:
Abannans Forum Alt wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
We live in Fliet.

Confirming we live in Nisuwa

They live in Hallanen now. Come flip it!

Wait I thought we all lived in Rakapas?

Okkamon, actually.

Well, starting tomorrow after downtime at least.

We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."

Aslon Seridith
Biohazard.
WINMATAR.
#886 - 2014-07-29 10:41:58 UTC
BurnHuola is pauzed for now.

WINMATAR. went ballsdeep, with the intent to take a system. We YOLO'd in, with our full weight,
For those who have flown with us know we're all about creating content. This is what we do, and it turned out to be legendary.PiratePirate

Maybe BurnHuolat will restart tomorrow, or next week. Fact is Huola will never feel the same again, as it can be any day Amarr see an opening and launch a full scale assault, YOLO in, bigger & stronger than before.Bear

All trolls and drama aside,
Good fights everyone! And may your corporations & alliances rise or fall from the past weeks fighting.

~Aslon Seridith

㋡ it's ASLON SERIDTH? | Minmatar Most Loved #1 | Gave Amarr a Medal | Orchestrator of BurnHuola'14 |

Author of: How to win FW in 3 months | Nullsec Bittervet | www.winmatar.com

Loryanna
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#887 - 2014-07-29 14:56:52 UTC
Yes Aslon things will never be the same again - we are now blue with all the pirates who live in Huola and we are more deeply entrenched and supported than ever before. Thanks very much, plz come again :)
Rahelis
Doomheim
#888 - 2014-07-29 16:56:18 UTC
Lori - do you percieve how weak you sound with this last post?

That alone summs up the whole burn huola campgain.
Loryanna
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#889 - 2014-07-29 17:06:44 UTC
If that were true you wouldn't have needed to say that. Take your half-baked psych-ops back to the playground mate. We rolled you coz your coalition imploded whilst we made new friends. We're stronger, you're weaker - end of.
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#890 - 2014-07-29 18:07:09 UTC
Actually we are stronger, and you know that if you have spais. If you do not have spais, I suggest you train them and emplace them better.
Rahelis
Doomheim
#891 - 2014-07-29 18:11:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Rahelis
We fought - with all respect - your minmatar milita, the best of the gallente milita and most of the big pirate entities that live around huola.

About 6 AVNG pilots and some 10-20 Biohazard pilots.


Ppl refered to that as the "Burn Huola Event".


You post: We have pirate friends now and thus have gal and pirate support - if you dare to come back.


Does that sound strong in you own opinion?


A strong milita would post: Come back and fight us - we do not need third party help.


With all due respect, Lori - you do not know how psy-ops work.
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q
#892 - 2014-07-29 19:13:26 UTC
Rahelis wrote:
We fought - with all respect - your minmatar milita, the best of the gallente milita and most of the big pirate entities that live around huola.

About 6 AVNG pilots and some 10-20 Biohazard pilots.


Ppl refered to that as the "Burn Huola Event".


You post: We have pirate friends now and thus have gal and pirate support - if you dare to come back.


Does that sound strong in you own opinion?


A strong milita would post: Come back and fight us - we do not need third party help.


With all due respect, Lori - you do not know how psy-ops work.

You know we can just hit the killboards and count how many peple were involved, right?

Are you sure it wasn't even less guys on your side that fought oh so brave?

Lol

pew pew

Capitol One
The Congregation
Same Great Taste
#893 - 2014-07-29 19:30:27 UTC
I have it on good authority that it was indeed only 1 snuff box member that single handedly held off the amarrian hordes.
There weren't even any minmatar militia pilots there at all, not for months.

It's true because I said so, on the internets!
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
It Burns When I'm PvPing
#894 - 2014-07-29 21:32:23 UTC
Capitol One wrote:
I have it on good authority that it was indeed only 1 snuff box member that single handedly held off the amarrian hordes.
There weren't even any minmatar militia pilots there at all, not for months.

It's true because I said so, on the internets!



The other "burn huola" thread claimed all the amarr were really just 3 players who created fleets of alts with the power of 2 promotion.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Soren Tyrhanos
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
#895 - 2014-07-29 21:43:01 UTC
Capitol One wrote:
I have it on good authority that it was indeed only 1 snuff box member that single handedly held off the amarrian hordes.
There weren't even any minmatar militia pilots there at all, not for months.

It's true because I said so, on the internets!


Curse you Bethany Velvetino!
Stalking Mantis
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#896 - 2014-07-30 02:01:09 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Capitol One wrote:
I have it on good authority that it was indeed only 1 snuff box member that single handedly held off the amarrian hordes.
There weren't even any minmatar militia pilots there at all, not for months.

It's true because I said so, on the internets!



The other "burn huola" thread claimed all the amarr were really just 3 players who created fleets of alts with the power of 2 promotion.


QFT

Amarr Liason Officer Extraordinare -->Check Out Amarrian Vengeance/Amarr FW History from 2011 to 2014 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352629&find=unread

Yuri Antollare
Moira.
Villore Accords
#897 - 2014-07-30 02:16:31 UTC
Guys can we just leave the power of 2 accusations alone?

I mean, the numbers say there wasnt a single 24hr period that Minnie pilots reached 75% of the Amarr numbers, isn't that good enough for everyone?
Anslo
Scope Works
#898 - 2014-07-30 02:34:16 UTC
Yuri Antollare wrote:
Guys can we just leave the power of 2 accusations alone?

I mean, the numbers say there wasnt a single 24hr period that Minnie pilots reached 75% of the Amarr numbers, isn't that good enough for everyone?


Confirming. Scope only learned what a overview was during this campaign. And that Jita wasn't a ship. Now we find out we can have alts. I'm terrible at eve with just one toon. Why would I want another? I would be double bad. I am bad at eve. Stop trying to make me worse people.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
It Burns When I'm PvPing
#899 - 2014-07-30 03:36:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
Yuri Antollare wrote:
Guys can we just leave the power of 2 accusations alone?

I mean, the numbers say there wasnt a single 24hr period that Minnie pilots reached 75% of the Amarr numbers, isn't that good enough for everyone?


Wrong thread for this advice.

It's the burn huola from the minmatar perspective thread where the power of 2 allegation is being made.

As for the rest of your post well your gallente so we expect you to post irrelevant numbers.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

X Gallentius
Black Eagle5
Villore Accords
#900 - 2014-07-30 03:42:48 UTC
Cearain wrote:
As for the rest of your post well your gallente so we expect you to post irrelevant numbers.
Maybe someday you'll win FW like us and you'll be happy like us.