Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Because billion ISK glass cannons which are perfectly capable of being blapped by dreads are going to be a great idea.

A far more likely implementation would be destroyer-sized vessels that fire Citadel Torpedoes with similar bonuses to the current line of stealth bombers.

Take, for example, the following hull, based on the Corax model:

ALBATROSS

Caldari Destroyer Bonus:
10% bonus to Citadel Torpedo explosion velocity
5% bonus missile Kinetic damage

Heavy Bomber Bonus:
10% bonus to Citadel Torpedo Kinetic rate of fire
10% bonus to Sensor Resolution

Role Bonus:
100% reduction in Citadel Torpedo Launcher powergrid requirement
85% reduction in Citadel Torpedo Launcher CPU requirement
50% reduction in Cloaking Devices CPU requirement
- No targeting delay after Cloaking Device deactivation
- Can fit Covert Ops Cloaking Device and Covert Cynosural Field Generator
- Cloak reactivation delay reduced to 15 seconds.

Slot layout: 8H, 3M, 2L; 0 turrets, 7 launchers
Fittings: 24 PWG, 300 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 650 / 450 / 450
Capacitor (amount / recharge / cap per second) : 500 / 250ms / 2.5
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 80km / 110 / 5
Sensor strength: 24
Signature radius: 65

Does just under 4500 raw DPS (~1/3rd of a sieged Moros), but WAY less against anything smaller than a capital. For example, against a stationary 400m sig Battleship, it'd only do ~800 DPS. Against a 400m sig BS moving at 100m/s, it'd be doing about 630 DPS (both of those are at all V's). It also has a catastrophically low sensor resolution to ensure that its dominant target is capitals and maybe battleships with appropriate fitting considerations.

Destroyers are also small enough that dreads and titans don't have a hope in hell of hitting them, but carriers actually have some defense against them in their drones. Even battleships can have some trouble if they are AB-fit. I modeled most of the stats on the differences between the Manticore and Kestral. The tank is thus ~35% lower than the Corax's, and it loses a midslot in order to gain the extra high-slot for the cloak.

Of note is that I decided to completely remove the PG cost of the launchers, because the appropriate reduction would have been around 99.996%. Instead, I decreased the base PG such that, at all V's, it has 30 PG, which is enough for an AB or MWD, but not enough for more than small or maybe medium-sized shield extenders. On the CPU side, it's designed such that it can fit all 7 launchers, a covert cloak, and 2 BCSes, but not much else, if at 0 fitting skills with T1 launchers. With maximum fitting skills and meta launchers (which take 10% less CPU than the T1 versions), it'll have some room to play with missile rigs, shield extenders, and more CPU-intensive EWAR like damps or points.

But surely that's juts a highsec POS basher...

Or, the groups who had previously used dreads to crack POS will not just use these things and do it cheaper, with no siege timers to worry about, leading to LESS cap losses.

Yes, I was meaning a larger version of the bomber. Fly them the same way bombers are now, but you are simply looking at larger targets.

You're correct, it was a poor choice of wording for the title. I have updated it.

I am rather interested in a covert ops battleship that can bomb capitals and supercapitals. It could take a lot to get anywhere but maybe if they had a very large radius bomb (say, 50km) that did damage based on target sig radius, a field of supercapitals could be in danger to attack by a swarm of these, which would add a little bit of extra thought before the big blocs drop a ton of em into one battle. Wouldn't be too shabby if they also caused significant pain to regular capital ships, and even toasted a smidge off the shields of the larger subcaps. Also would be great if these things could fire citadel torpedoes and had pretty good DPS against large, stationary targets. They should probably get a penalty to explosion radius just so they have reduced damage against basic capitals.

Perhaps if battleship covert ops were added, they should come with some other changes to covert ops and/or a new module/ship that can allow a properly prepared covert ops fleet to be able to handle battleships without it causing too many problems.

Cruiser null might be realistic. But the intended role here is a larger stealth bomber. They shouldn't be on the field long enough to get hit, and if they are they should die pretty easy.

AOE doesn't care about size.

The last thing Eve needs is more covops black ops bridgeable stealth ships.