Ships & Modules

And in this thread:

"why are there no ships that don't have shields like I want"

and

"hurr durr navy apocalypse is usually shield tanked"

Yeah, uh huh.




People seem to have this idea that more variety is intrinsically better. When what usually happens is everyone does what works the best (or the current meta) and the rest is just more useless crap to sort through and use in lolfits.

Never mind whatever the hell it means to "proud to be an armor tanker". You might as well be RP'ing at that point. Except a ship with no shields and living things on it would be completely unworkable from a lore standpoint.

I looked through the web site and checked out the fits but I didn't find one for navy apoc so then I opened EFT and made my own.

It uses 4 heatsinks, 2 TE and has 915 DPS at 27+16km with conflag

Actually has more EHP than the navy geddon - 113k, and no 5 sentry drones, but the point still stands - it is a valid fit for both shield and armor.

Argumentatively these are pve fits and shield is the pve king, but shield is also the king of fast mobile small pvp gangs. I feel that armor is second best somehow and I wanna change that. I think a frig, stealth bomber, cruiser and BS in armor only version will be a great addition.



I think all the people that said that variety is the spice of life were just fools. If you ask me, why is there even anything else than drake? According to you anything that's different from drake is lolfit - useless crap to sort through. In fact we should give everyone in eve the standard drake and then turn it into first person shooter. Variety is definitely bad. Choice ? Who might ever want that in their game.

Dear you ,
maybe I didn't specify that the ships are usually tanked for shield specifically in incursion fleets, in which you care about DPS and tracking. Here's a little fact - there's usually 2 to 3 times more shield fleets than armor. The one saving grace of armor fleets is the legion which has high enough resists and small enough signature to be able to mount 3 damage mods and still have a decent tank. Most of the "armor" ships when fit as shield have enough space for 4 damage mods(armor fits are lucky to get 2 or 3), since their tank goes in the midslots. Again, the invuln field with it's 30% blanket resists(37 for navy version) allows ships to get over 70% resists across with 1 DC, 3 modules and a rig slot.

It could be argued that pve with logistic support is a tiny part of eve, but then again pvp with faction ships is not that common either(well except for frigs and cruisers maybe).

Anyway incursion fleets running typically armor ships as shield is just a stupid and circumstantial example.
The only argument that needs to be made is that more choices is better than less choices. I'm sure that good or bad people will find uses for the ships. And if by chance the new sleeper frig is the new dramiel I'm sure there's a dev out there sharpening his nerf bat just for extreme cases like this.

I always wondered about this.

I know sleepers only have two health bars.


But...

Is it because they don't have shields?

Because they don't have armor?

Or because (gasp) they don't have hull?

I'm tempted to think that they have shields and an armor/hull hybrid (i.e. their armor is their hull) there of course one way to test it but I've never done it in great detail... anyone know for sure?

Armor and Structure, as the above poster confirmed.

I, personally, think, that sleepers (or whoever created them, actually), noticed, that armor performs much better in combat than shields and have decided to scrap the shield generators altogether in favor of stronger armor plating and/or more nanite pumps to keep the armor repaired. And to use the energy required to run shields somewhere else, like for bigger weapons. Armor needs energy only to repair it, but shields impose constant drain on ship's powergrid and reactor (invisible to capsuleer pilot, because it is handled automatically, yet certain modules suggest the link between those two, namely SPR and CPR modules).

You're dangerous









I like that.