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Y no sleeper ships for players?
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Songbird
#1 - 2011-11-19 23:36:55 UTC
we kill them by the 1000's - surely there enough wreckage leftovers to back engineer them

Obviously they're armor + hull only and have higher than normal resists - have missile and lazor bonuses - it's like super amarr

we should really be able to have them as some t2.5 ships :)
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#2 - 2011-11-20 00:22:59 UTC
And these would fill what niché, precisely?
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#3 - 2011-11-20 00:28:56 UTC
Songbird wrote:
we kill them by the 1000's - surely there enough wreckage leftovers to back engineer them

Obviously they're armor + hull only and have higher than normal resists - have missile and lazor bonuses - it's like super amarr

we should really be able to have them as some t2.5 ships :)

I'm pretty sure that reverse engineered sleeper ships are called Strategic Cruisers.
Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
#4 - 2011-11-20 00:35:57 UTC
Thinking that sleeper ships are uber compared to player ships is ridiculous. You're not taking into account that T1 and T2 player ships are all capable of the same abilities and more. We can get to 80%+ resistances on everything even with T1 ships when fit correctly. We have all the e-war abilities. We have awesome weapons - we can dictate range and damage type with ease.

Sleeper ships are uber compared to your average mission rats, but they're still far crappier than players. If I had no choice but to fly the kind of ships I can solo kill in L4 world's collide, I'd biomass my character today.
Aessaya
Independent treasure hunters
#5 - 2011-11-20 00:53:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Aessaya
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Songbird wrote:
we kill them by the 1000's - surely there enough wreckage leftovers to back engineer them

Obviously they're armor + hull only and have higher than normal resists - have missile and lazor bonuses - it's like super amarr

we should really be able to have them as some t2.5 ships :)

I'm pretty sure that reverse engineered sleeper ships are called Strategic Cruisers.

This. Sleeper ships per se also cannot be piloted by pod pilots simply because they all are drones. I.e. unmanned spacecraft without any life support whatsoever.

Ah, you seek meaning? Then listen to the music, not the song.
Songbird
#6 - 2011-11-20 01:06:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Songbird
I just like the idea of breaking away from the established hull armor shield. If it's hull and armor only it's a different ship.

I love the stealth bombers and tier 3 BC's because they break the rules - BS weapons on frigates and cruisers - how cool is that.

And yeah I know t3 cruisers come from sleepers - i lived in a WH for a while :). I just love to see ships that completely ignore shields and focus on heavy armor .

As for what niche they would fill ? What niche do pirate ships fill - they have parallel roles to the ships of the empires, they're sometimes 100's of times more expensive(frigates for instance) and they have somewhat superior performance.

I just feel that the majority of the eve community goes for shields - no speed penalties , dead space shield boosters , invuln fields that offer blanket protection - low slots available for damage modules, boosting every 4 -5 seconds instead of every 12, shield boost amps, RR that's at the beginning of the cycle instead of the end and so on. I'd love to see "faction" ships that are all about armor.
Kilobar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-11-20 01:50:30 UTC
I feel a head ache coming on after reading this thread.
JitaJane
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-11-20 04:44:41 UTC
I been saving the parts from every spider drone I kill but still can't build one.....

90% of of the time my posts are about something I actually find interesting and want to learn more about. Do not be alarmed.

Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
#9 - 2011-11-20 09:58:39 UTC
Songbird wrote:
I'd love to see "faction" ships that are all about armor.


You must've missed the memo on these ships:

Navy Armageddon
Navy Apocalypse
Navy Megathron
Navy Dominix
Fleet Typhoon
Bhaalgorn
Vindicator
Machariel (whoops, it has 5 mids, therefore it MUST be shield tanked! Ugh)
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2011-11-20 10:10:28 UTC
OPs thread ended at "t3 cruisers mate ?" so then he tries to spin the whole thing into wanting armor tanked ships and like previous posted there are plenty of those.

Op needs to start living more healthy and less "Whoah my hand is sooo big" substances.
Songbird
#11 - 2011-11-20 15:58:48 UTC
Arthur Frayn wrote:


You must've missed the memo on these ships:

Navy Armageddon
Navy Apocalypse
Navy Megathron
Navy Dominix
Fleet Typhoon
Bhaalgorn
Vindicator
Machariel (whoops, it has 5 mids, therefore it MUST be shield tanked! Ugh)


Hmm - you're right - all these are armor ships. For some reason however they're more often used in their shield version . Very weird. And the fits? All damage mods and tracking enhancer - awful awful fits.
I think the one armor ship I haven't seen fit for shield is the proteus , mostly because most configs have 3 mids, but I'm sure a lot of people tried - what with hybrids pitiful range ...

Anyway - I don't wanna replace any of the existing ships - I just want to add more and more ships to my vast collection. I don't see why people would object to the idea - the more ships the more options in the game - the richer the game experience :).
Aessaya
Independent treasure hunters
#12 - 2011-11-20 19:11:24 UTC
Arthur Frayn wrote:
Songbird wrote:
I'd love to see "faction" ships that are all about armor.


You must've missed the memo on these ships:

Navy Armageddon
Navy Apocalypse
Navy Megathron
Navy Dominix
Fleet Typhoon
Bhaalgorn
Vindicator
Machariel (whoops, it has 5 mids, therefore it MUST be shield tanked! Ugh)


You, sir, don't get the point. Sleeper ships do not have shields at all. Even their health bars on the NEOCOM display only two instead of the usual three.

JitaJane wrote:
I been saving the parts from every spider drone I kill but still can't build one.....

You're still missing the most important part - the blueprint for it.

Ah, you seek meaning? Then listen to the music, not the song.
Potamus Jenkins
eXceed Inc.
Plucky Adventurers
#13 - 2011-11-20 19:13:04 UTC
Songbird wrote:
Arthur Frayn wrote:


You must've missed the memo on these ships:

Navy Armageddon
Navy Apocalypse
Navy Megathron
Navy Dominix
Fleet Typhoon
Bhaalgorn
Vindicator
Machariel (whoops, it has 5 mids, therefore it MUST be shield tanked! Ugh)


Hmm - you're right - all these are armor ships. For some reason however they're more often used in their shield version . Very weird. And the fits? All damage mods and tracking enhancer - awful awful fits.
I think the one armor ship I haven't seen fit for shield is the proteus , mostly because most configs have 3 mids, but I'm sure a lot of people tried - what with hybrids pitiful range ...

Anyway - I don't wanna replace any of the existing ships - I just want to add more and more ships to my vast collection. I don't see why people would object to the idea - the more ships the more options in the game - the richer the game experience :).


uh. shield tanked navy geddon huh. mind blowing
Spr09
Abyssal Echoes
Invidia Gloriae Comes
#14 - 2011-11-20 19:51:45 UTC
ow, my head...

i thought i might laugh at this thread at first, but now i want to cry from these questions D:
Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
#15 - 2011-11-20 22:01:00 UTC
Aessaya wrote:
You, sir, don't get the point. Sleeper ships do not have shields at all. Even their health bars on the NEOCOM display only two instead of the usual three.


I know this. My point was: when you armor tank, your shield bar might as well not even be there either. Since the op is saying he wants a ship with an uber armor tank with high resists on everything, he should look at the armor based ships we already have and fit one himself.
Nor Tzestu
Dos Pollos Hermanos
Ghosts from the Abyss
#16 - 2011-11-21 01:39:55 UTC
Potamus Jenkins wrote:
Songbird wrote:
Arthur Frayn wrote:


You must've missed the memo on these ships:

Navy Armageddon
Navy Apocalypse
Navy Megathron
Navy Dominix
Fleet Typhoon
Bhaalgorn
Vindicator
Machariel (whoops, it has 5 mids, therefore it MUST be shield tanked! Ugh)


Hmm - you're right - all these are armor ships. For some reason however they're more often used in their shield version . Very weird. And the fits? All damage mods and tracking enhancer - awful awful fits.
I think the one armor ship I haven't seen fit for shield is the proteus , mostly because most configs have 3 mids, but I'm sure a lot of people tried - what with hybrids pitiful range ...

Anyway - I don't wanna replace any of the existing ships - I just want to add more and more ships to my vast collection. I don't see why people would object to the idea - the more ships the more options in the game - the richer the game experience :).


uh. shield tanked navy geddon huh. mind blowing


It's all the rage when you want to **** away 250mil isk in a level 4. Or you can go baller and do the Navy POC. Nothing says ownage like a 450mil hull going down in the first room of world's collide. Basically the Mach is normally shiled tanked, the Navy Domi can be shield tanked well and the Vindy for incursion fleets. The rest are hardcore armor boats unless your a total masochist who has more isk than sense.
Adam Kirwen
The Eleusinian Mystery Cult
#17 - 2011-11-21 02:21:29 UTC
Songbird wrote:


Anyway - I don't wanna replace any of the existing ships - I just want to add more and more ships to my vast collection. I don't see why people would object to the idea - the more ships the more options in the game - the richer the game experience :).


I'll tell you why people will object: More ships means more balancing catastrophes from CCP. As things are, there are plenty of ships that nobody flies. Fix those before adding new ones.
Daniel L'Siata
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#18 - 2011-11-21 02:55:34 UTC
Songbird wrote:
Arthur Frayn wrote:


You must've missed the memo on these ships:

Navy Armageddon
Navy Apocalypse
Navy Megathron
Navy Dominix
Fleet Typhoon
Bhaalgorn
Vindicator
Machariel (whoops, it has 5 mids, therefore it MUST be shield tanked! Ugh)


Hmm - you're right - all these are armor ships. For some reason however they're more often used in their shield version . Very weird. And the fits? All damage mods and tracking enhancer - awful awful fits.
I think the one armor ship I haven't seen fit for shield is the proteus , mostly because most configs have 3 mids, but I'm sure a lot of people tried - what with hybrids pitiful range ...

Anyway - I don't wanna replace any of the existing ships - I just want to add more and more ships to my vast collection. I don't see why people would object to the idea - the more ships the more options in the game - the richer the game experience :).


Are you high? Please, fly those ships at me some time.
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2011-11-21 03:17:49 UTC
If anything, I want to capture a talocan hull and rig it, t3-esque, to my likings. The more says they're bare hulls with nothing in them. I mean, they look cool, and there is one for every size, so why not?

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2011-11-21 10:22:30 UTC
why you so stupid?
same reason there are no jove ships...

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