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Tier 3 BCs feedback
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Edey
#1 - 2011-11-19 23:33:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Edey
Hello there!
Today I was flying all those new BCs and it didn't feel that my DPS or damage overall was really high as CCP said (Didn't they?).
I might be not an expert on balancing issues but shouldn't those ships have drones, at least like Talos? (Therefore Talos should have drone bay with the increased size or/and more bandwidth)

When I jumped in a Cane after Tornado I didn't feel that difference in damage output at all. Moreover I felt much better in a cane because I had more things I can do (different fits and other things) because of total number of fitting slots. Plus I had drones.

tldr:
Tier2 BCs live much longer, do almost the same DPS, have drones.
Shouldn't tier3 BCs have drones at least? To compensate lack of defense and versatility.
Panhead4411
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services
The Possum Lodge
#2 - 2011-11-22 04:07:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Panhead4411
My problem is a Hybrid only Naga? The role it would fill is already filled w/ the Rokh...if you could call it 'filled' as i don't think there are all that many pilots who use Rokh in that role very often...

It a Caldari boat, for caldari pilots who train missiles. You arleady have one Hybrid boost Caldari BC (Ferox), give Naga back its Torps.

Another reason, we already have a Hybrid Tier 3, its called the Talos. Nuff said.

http://blog.beyondreality.se/shift-click-does-nothing    < Unified Inventory is NOT ready...
Sai Hai
Funk Freakers
#3 - 2011-11-22 11:16:56 UTC
Well yeah. Kinda thought about Rokh too. I see no point of Naga too since Rokh is better at every aspect except velocity.

And talk about drones. I'll buy some Rifter for sure to kill all of those Nagas or Tornados.
I mean BC with no drones is a dead meat against smaller targets that can have decent orbit speed, expecially with Large guns.
Gempei
Marvinovi pratele
#4 - 2011-11-22 11:52:13 UTC
Sai Hai wrote:
...I see no point of Naga too since Rokh is better at every aspect except velocity....

price? fleet of 100 Rokhs = 18B, fleet 100 Nagas = 5B, same dps for 1/3 price Cool
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-11-22 11:56:26 UTC
Also, the Naga actually has superior DPS to the Rokh now, if you examine the new bonuses.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Sai Hai
Funk Freakers
#6 - 2011-11-22 12:20:27 UTC
Gempei wrote:
Sai Hai wrote:
...I see no point of Naga too since Rokh is better at every aspect except velocity....

price? fleet of 100 Rokhs = 18B, fleet 100 Nagas = 5B, same dps for 1/3 price Cool


I agree, the price is higher.

But if you're a part of some good alliance money is no longer a problem.
My main corp compensates everything up to BS including mods up to T2.
Vuetee
Sacred Templars
Fraternity.
#7 - 2011-11-22 12:33:23 UTC
Naga needs to be a missile boat, otherwise it's a fail boat.
Stealthshot
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-11-22 15:19:35 UTC
The Naga was a failboat with torps now it has a role. If anything give it 8 missile hardpoints so people can fail fit it for comedy killmails or 1/2 large rails 1/2 some standards for anti frigate work either way the current setup is a metric f*ckton better then the torp naga.
Funky Lasers
#9 - 2011-11-22 15:55:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Funky Lasers
Still, with 4 damage mods + 2 sentry drones Rokh's DPS will be higher .

Tier3 BCs still need drones, all of them.
At least small ones.
Panhead4411
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services
The Possum Lodge
#10 - 2011-11-22 18:03:49 UTC
Part of me thinks the main reason they switch to a turret is b/c they still don't have a fix to the missile 'bay' turret. And they don't want their new shiney to have the same old blob of missiles coming from the center of the ship.

This should have been fixed before they re-did ALL the turrets, or atleast at the same time, so it wouldn't look so ********.

http://blog.beyondreality.se/shift-click-does-nothing    < Unified Inventory is NOT ready...
Sai Hai
Funk Freakers
#11 - 2011-11-23 08:36:37 UTC
Wish Naga was Cruise missles boat.
Like having bonuses so cruise missles could be useful in pvp.
tika te
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2011-11-23 08:49:28 UTC
actually except for tornado and to some degree oracle, naga and talos have a looong way to go before they'll make any sense.

just look at talos: how can a paperthin bc-sizes ship with large blaster ever fullfill the role of a blasterboat? it's defective by design and giving it 5 small drones wont change anything here...
i wished ccp would still listen to players - it all started weeel, but there was no devs-reply for two weeks now on tier3 bc and hybrids...X
Edey
#13 - 2011-11-23 10:42:47 UTC
All I'm saying those ships (except Talos) need drones. Some cheap 1$ frig will be able to kill you.
To me it sound wrong.


Right now they are like Stealth bombers with the higher price and no cloak bonus.
Lijhal
Innoruuks Wrath
#14 - 2011-11-23 10:48:00 UTC
Edey wrote:
All I'm saying those ships (except Talos) need drones. Some cheap 1$ frig will be able to kill you.
To me it sound wrong.


Right now they are like Stealth bombers with the higher price and no cloak bonus.


sounds like a glasscannon to me

your girlfriend
Lijhal
Innoruuks Wrath
#15 - 2011-11-23 10:48:08 UTC
ups, got ganked

your girlfriend
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-11-23 10:57:03 UTC
All the people who are complaining about the Naga being a hybrid boat instead of a missile boat have clearly never set foot outside a Drake in their lives and don't understand how sniper ships work, and how much fun it is to rain fire on something that can't even target you.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Edey
#17 - 2011-11-23 11:04:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Edey
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
All the people who are complaining about the Naga being a hybrid boat instead of a missile boat have clearly never set foot outside a Drake in their lives and don't understand how sniper ships work, and how much fun it is to rain fire on something that can't even target you.


Indeed, it is fun.

But for that price of the ship I want a little more.

Oh and about Galss cannon: Those BCs already have low armor/shield/hull to be a glass cannon. Drones won't make them less "galss".
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2011-11-23 11:43:30 UTC
Don't give the Naga drones. That would make it fairly overpowered.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Sai Hai
Funk Freakers
#19 - 2011-11-24 05:01:13 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Don't give the Naga drones. That would make it fairly overpowered.


How? Like being able to defend itself against noobship?
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2011-11-24 05:42:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Hungry Eyes
Sai Hai wrote:
Well yeah. Kinda thought about Rokh too. I see no point of Naga too since Rokh is better at every aspect except velocity.


uh, thats the whole point. large weapons on fast boats. tier 3 bc's do exactly what theyre supposed to - long range mobile dps to counter BC and BS hulls.

the only HUGE problem is....most of these boats, especially the AC Tornado, can track and melt frigs and cruisers with ease from 80km+. in addition, these ships move faster than HAC's. while they can be killed by HAC's no problem, tier 3 bc's should not be replacing them.


also, so many noobs in this thread.
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